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I like Souness...an honest pro, well respected and talks sense, plus I think he has a soft spot for City.
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I like Souness...an honest pro, well respected and talks sense, plus I think he has a soft spot for City.
Don't think the Keeper would have been sent off if the penalty had been given. Genuine attempt to play the ball.
maybe so ? but ask yourself this if ederson took out rashford in the same way you think both pen and red card would not be shown
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From The Telegraph....
It was, as Phil Foden said afterwards, a “strange” game, with neither attack having to hit the heights to unpick some curious defending and bizarre decision-making, even if Mahrez’s goals and contribution for the third were dazzling. But there was nothing stranger than the failure to award Foden a penalty shortly after the half-hour mark when Alex McCarthy, the Southampton goalkeeper, swiped away the City midfielder’s standing leg.
Graeme Souness and Chris Waddle said Foden had been “too honest” by just about staying on his feet, and there is little doubt he should have gone down. But it becomes difficult to turn around and blame players for diving or tumbling theatrically when they run the risk of honesty getting them nowhere. It was hard to understand how referee Jonathan Moss had missed it but even more bewildering was the video assistant referee Andrew Madley’s failure to overturn the decision.
The official explanation was that, because Moss felt McCarthy had got a touch of the ball and Madley could not determine that was not the case, the decision stood. Foden said he would continue to act honestly but you would not blame him if he thinks twice about staying on his feet the next time he is in this position. “I’m an honest guy and I never like to dive, I always like to stay on my feet but 100 per cent I thought it was a penalty,” he said.
Guardiola was in disbelief. "It is just incredible that penalty was not given,” he said. “One day they are going to explain why. I do not understand it. It's incredible that in four-and-a-half-years we have won everything ourselves. No-one has given us anything.”
It was, as Phil Foden said afterwards, a “strange” game, with neither attack having to hit the heights to unpick some curious defending and bizarre decision-making, even if Mahrez’s goals and contribution for the third were dazzling. But there was nothing stranger than the failure to award Foden a penalty shortly after the half-hour mark when Alex McCarthy, the Southampton goalkeeper, swiped away the City midfielder’s standing leg.
Graeme Souness and Chris Waddle said Foden had been “too honest” by just about staying on his feet, and there is little doubt he should have gone down. But it becomes difficult to turn around and blame players for diving or tumbling theatrically when they run the risk of honesty getting them nowhere. It was hard to understand how referee Jonathan Moss had missed it but even more bewildering was the video assistant referee Andrew Madley’s failure to overturn the decision.
The official explanation was that, because Moss felt McCarthy had got a touch of the ball and Madley could not determine that was not the case, the decision stood. Foden said he would continue to act honestly but you would not blame him if he thinks twice about staying on his feet the next time he is in this position. “I’m an honest guy and I never like to dive, I always like to stay on my feet but 100 per cent I thought it was a penalty,” he said.
Guardiola was in disbelief. "It is just incredible that penalty was not given,” he said. “One day they are going to explain why. I do not understand it. It's incredible that in four-and-a-half-years we have won everything ourselves. No-one has given us anything.”
That was pristine compared to the Baseball Ground.View attachment 12246View attachment 12246
Maine Road wasn’t always pristine - this would be late 60’s or early 70s
Sod all to do with technology. That was human stupidity at work.It's unrealistic to expect VAR to get everything right but every other game has a talking point. It's failed no question and we don't need any more time to finesse it.
I am sure in years to come we will have technology that works but at the moment VAR is not working. A shame that a wonderful performance by Riyadh has been overshadowed by VAR again.
Again, it’s hypothetical anyway as it didn’t happen but the law clearly states that it would not be a red card. Here is the law:
“Where a player commits an offence against an opponent within their own penalty area which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity and the referee awards a penalty kick, the offending player is cautioned if the offence was an attempt to play the ball; in all other circumstances (e.g. holding, pulling, pushing, no possibility to play the ball etc.) the offending player must be sent off.”
but you are missing the point it was the last man and a clear goal attempt this is the underlining thing ? forget the going for of the ball ? he did not touch the ball and stopped a clear goal attempt ? like i said if ederson does that on rashford what would be the outcome. that's right red card and pen
Spot on!
give over ? rashford instead of foden ? united instead of city ? now does the new rule make sense
ederson would be walking off after the pen was given new rules or not
mosssideblue
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As stated many times, VAR is not the issue, never has beenIf City are crowned Champions, then at the end of the season we should lobby football and use what influence we have to suspend VAR. Surely Manchester City and Pep Guardiola carry some weight in football?
I believe FIFA are trialing alternative offside algorithms so it seems to me that changes are afoot and naturally we know technology will have a growing influence in the game. VAR has failed, and next season, if fans are back, VAR is going to get more important. It's one thing experiencing a VAR delay on TV another when you are at the game.
I remember vaguely that the Premier Leaue clubs met towards the end of last season and there was reported to be a lot of unhappiness with VAR but they agreed to give it an extra 12 months to bed in. Surely now we have seen enough?
I can only think of one club who may like VAR and that is Man Utd. Why would any other football club be in favour of VAR?
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We would have missed the pen anyway;) Foden not going down has put a spotlight on the corruption we otherwise would not have seen.It's a team sport Kaz. If we don't win the game that could have been a costly error by Phil. He wouldn't have been diving if he'd stayed down and would probably have got the penalty. Sad state of affairs but thats just the way it is.
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Worth pointing out that getting a touch on the ball doesn't allow you to foul the opponent with impunity. Quite simply, fouling the opponent as you touch the ball is a foul. McCarthy didn't touch the ball anyway. That decision will go down in history - Jon Moss's career defining moment.From The Telegraph....
It was, as Phil Foden said afterwards, a “strange” game, with neither attack having to hit the heights to unpick some curious defending and bizarre decision-making, even if Mahrez’s goals and contribution for the third were dazzling. But there was nothing stranger than the failure to award Foden a penalty shortly after the half-hour mark when Alex McCarthy, the Southampton goalkeeper, swiped away the City midfielder’s standing leg.
Graeme Souness and Chris Waddle said Foden had been “too honest” by just about staying on his feet, and there is little doubt he should have gone down. But it becomes difficult to turn around and blame players for diving or tumbling theatrically when they run the risk of honesty getting them nowhere. It was hard to understand how referee Jonathan Moss had missed it but even more bewildering was the video assistant referee Andrew Madley’s failure to overturn the decision.
The official explanation was that, because Moss felt McCarthy had got a touch of the ball and Madley could not determine that was not the case, the decision stood. Foden said he would continue to act honestly but you would not blame him if he thinks twice about staying on his feet the next time he is in this position. “I’m an honest guy and I never like to dive, I always like to stay on my feet but 100 per cent I thought it was a penalty,” he said.
Guardiola was in disbelief. "It is just incredible that penalty was not given,” he said. “One day they are going to explain why. I do not understand it. It's incredible that in four-and-a-half-years we have won everything ourselves. No-one has given us anything.”
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Ironically, i was pleased / encouraged that play was allowed to go on and they went back to review if a penalty or not once the ball had gone out of play....that should encourage players to not dive. Unfortunately the final decision was diabolical.
crazyg
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Alf Grey?Still angry about that, one of the worst decisions I’ve ever seen
nothing to do with the fact he works for bt and the match was covered by sky ??Wow, for that vitriolic little hateful prick to say that about that decision when it went against City is everything you need to know.
First 10 minutes were very poor. We conceded possession to Southampton and couldn't build any genuine attack. The reason was their press and the fact Fernandinho couldn't help us build from the back. He didn't get enough support from Kevin and Gundogan and was left alone. Think Bernardo should have played Kevin's role, and vice versa. On his current form Kevin is a bit of a liability in the build-up.
Pep changed things at half-time by putting Gundogan next to Fernandinho. After we made subs, however, we lost control again with Aguero contributing very little to our pressing game and Torres and Mendy not doing enough.
3 highly important pts though! If we beat Fulham, we'll be almost there. We'd need 3 wins form 8 games or even 2. Stones, Cancelo, Rodri, Sterling and Jesus to start vs Fulham with Bernardo and Foden in midfield.
Pep changed things at half-time by putting Gundogan next to Fernandinho. After we made subs, however, we lost control again with Aguero contributing very little to our pressing game and Torres and Mendy not doing enough.
3 highly important pts though! If we beat Fulham, we'll be almost there. We'd need 3 wins form 8 games or even 2. Stones, Cancelo, Rodri, Sterling and Jesus to start vs Fulham with Bernardo and Foden in midfield.
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Difficult to see without being at the games but it seems that teams are playing a very high line against us which is hindering our build up. Think the commentary mentioned it against UTD. We could do with working on exposing the ball over the top/through ball to push them back a bit or at least threaten it so they cant.First 10 minutes were very poor. We conceded possession to Southampton and couldn't build any genuine attack. The reason was their press and the fact Fernandinho couldn't help us build from the back. He didn't get enough support from Kevin and Gundogan and was left alone. Think Bernardo should have played Kevin's role, and vice versa. On his current form Kevin is a bit of a liability in the build-up.
Pep changed things at half-time by putting Gundogan next to Fernandinho. After we made subs, however, we lost control again with Aguero contributing very little to our pressing game and Torres and Mendy not doing enough.
3 highly important pts though! If we beat Fulham, we'll be almost there. We'd need 3 wins form 8 games or even 2. Stones, Cancelo, Rodri, Sterling and Jesus to start vs Fulham with Bernardo and Foden in midfield.
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As was pointed out last night neither the ref nor anyone else saw any deviation in the line the ball took and therefore VAR at the very least should have pointed out that there was no evidence at all that McCarthy got even the slightest of touches. The ref must have told VAR to confirm that there was a touch on the ball and the answer "there is nothing to disprove that" is in the first place meaningless nonsense but in the second place is contradicted completely by the video evidence completely. We are told that VAR is there to correct "clear and obvious errors" not to argue that a bloody stupid decision has to be proven conclusively to be bloody stupid.
bobbyowenquiff
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It really does look like a corrupt decision. Impossible not to give that as a penalty after seeing the replay. It was also bizarre that during the commentary Neville and Tyler bent over backwards to try and justify the decision instead of calling it out. It looked like a clear penalty in real time. There is something going on with PGMOL. Why didn't Moss check the monitor? VAR is being implemented in a corrupt way.We would have missed the pen anyway;) Foden not going down has put a spotlight on the corruption we otherwise would not have seen.
No, let’s get this right....free kicks seen but not given.Nowhere near our best. We were lucky we were clinical. Fair play to Southampton for playing proper football. Thought they were excellent for the most part, barring their errors.
All this is moot as we should have had a penalty and playing against 10 men for over an hour.
I don’t criticise refs often, but Moss was absolutely shit tonight. Loads of free kicks missed as well as the blatant penalty.
Part of the agenda I guess....
Difficult to see without being at the games but it seems that teams are playing a very high line against us which is hindering our build up. Think the commentary mentioned it against UTD. We could do with working on exposing the ball over the top/through ball to push them back a bit or at least threaten it so they cant.
It's uncharacteristic for us to be unable to play through the opposition's press and lose the ball cheaply. Pep will analyse the problem. It's arguably related to the fact that Fernandinho, Kevin and Walker are less press-resistant than Rodri, Bernardo and Cancelo.