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Churchlawtonblue said:

According to data on this account people who have had the AZ vaccine have less blood clots than those that have had the Pfiezer one. Obviously I cant vouch for the accuracy of any of the data or website.
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A few things from that thread:
1. AZ results in less post-vax thrombosis than Pfizer OR Moderna
2. Blood clot rate for women taking the pill ~ 100 per millions versus AZ ~ 30 per million.

This is political, isn’t it?
 
Suspect that there is a degree of politics in this matter, with EU countries covering their backs because there is a dearth of vaccine, particularly coming from AZ. Better, instead, to have a moratorium that you can then use to explain why, over the next fortnight, quite so few are being vaccinated. Countries are saying they won't resume using it until the end of the month, irrespective of EMA approval, by which time I would imagine more supplies will serendipitously arrive from Pfizer.
 
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Murph said:
Has there been any reports of people in the UK having blood clots after having the Oxford/AZ jab? Think well over 10M UK citizen's have had that particular vaccine.
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In the data we were shown a few days ago it was around 13 if I recall - BELOW the expected number based on population. And actually a couple fewer than the Pfizer jab showed.

Neither were anything other than normal numbers that would have occurred in the population without the vaccine.

But if the AZ one is a problem then what of the Pfizer one which was worse?

The claim is that the European numbers are worse than those here.

The theory is a bad batch only supplied to Europe.

But as far more have been given in the UK than anywhere any generic vaccine related problem would surely have made itself obvious after 3 or 4 months.
 
Healdplace said:
In the data we were shown a few days ago it was around 13 if I recall - BELOW the expected number based on population. And actually a couple fewer than the Pfizer jab showed.

Neither were anything other than normal numbers that would have occurred in the population without the vaccine.

But if the AZ one is a problem then what of the Pfizer one which was worse?

The claim is that the European numbers are worse than those here.

The theory is a bad batch only supplied to Europe.

But as far more have been given in the UK than anywhere any generic vaccine related problem would surely have made itself obvious after 3 or 4 months.
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If it was a bad batch, surely this would have been found out during testing in each country? I think each batch is tested twice in the UK, it all seems a bit fishy to me.
 
RobMCFC said:
I’m normally pro-European, but I can’t believe how badly Europe has handled this. Seems very fishy to me that they are suspending AZ but not Pfizer, which has caused issues and even been linked to deaths in the US (I’m sure the vaccine didn’t cause this by the way).

Just heard a story from my brother-in-law that friends they know in Italy have reported large queues for vaccines only to be told that there are not enough doses in some cases. My gut feeling is that this report of possible issues has given health authorities a convenient excuse for some breathing space.

Still, I’m a cynical bugger.
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I think AZ are due to vastly underperform against the contract they have with the EU, above and beyond what was discussed/argued about earlier in the year.....talk of Van de Leyden and others being called to task over the contracts etc........if I was a betting man I would think this is a move (suspending the jab) by EU to save face. It also rather cleverly put AZ under scrutiny.
 
DenisLawBackHeel74 said:
I think AZ are due to vastly underperform against the contract they have with the EU, above and beyond what was discussed/argued about earlier in the year.....talk of Van de Leyden and others being called to task over the contracts etc........if I was a betting man I would think this is a move (suspending the jab) by EU to save face. It also rather cleverly put AZ under scrutiny.
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That sounds about right. Reports here are that AZ have cut their vaccine deliveries to Europe by 73%.
 
KnaresboroughBlue said:
That sounds about right. Reports here are that AZ have cut their vaccine deliveries to Europe by 73%.
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I read somewhere over the weekend that there was talk about Van de Leyden losing her job over the AZ contract fiasco.....

I just feel sorry for those people who are already shit scared of vaccines, becoming terrified at the thought of getting the AZ jab after how the EU nations have reacted
 
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It’s quite remarkable how many of the big countries in Europe have fucked up the vaccination process from the start to present.

This is the latest in a series of events which can only lead to more Covid deaths in these countries.

We seem to one way or the other be one of the leading countries at this stage of it.

I’m not sure what more evidence they need that what’s being provided?
 
somapop said:
...at least 2021 is starting to grow into something just as weird as 2020.
Crazy. Was once going to give up drinking for good (not that I drink much these days anyway) but I feel alcohol will normalise this strange landscape - bring on the openings.

More importantly....open the bleeding hairdressers. I'm having to wear hats in zoom calls now. I look like a post meltdown Syd Barrett ffs.
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My youngest lad is a trained, self-employed barber in Albert Square and the NQ. He'd LOVE to give cuts today, like they can in Wales right now. Almost becoming as critical to me as the pubs re-opening !
 
Gabriel said:
Suspect that there is a degree of politics in this matter, with EU countries covering their backs because there is a dearth of vaccine, particularly coming from AZ. Better, instead, to have a moratorium that you can then use to explain why, over the next fortnight, quite so few are being vaccinated. Countries are saying they won't resume using it until the end of the month, irrespective of EMA approval, by which time I would imagine more supplies will serendipitously arrive from Pfizer.
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It isn’t politics. Norway is not an EU country and has suspended the AZ vaccine. Thailand has done the same. Thailand is not in Europe.

There are differing attitudes and cultures to vaccines with places like Germany having an ultra conservative approach, so any anomalous readings or spikes, no matter how low, will lead to suspension.

Not everything is a plot, it’s just different ways of doing things.

For the record I got jabbed with AZ on Saturday and am feeling fine :)
 
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