a few months ago we could only dream of where we are now and especially on the vaccine front. There’s a lot to criticise with this Government but going over board on this is typical of the moaning society we live in.
A lot more jobs will be lost, too.bigger point is we are still a month away from shops opening and two months from pubs and restaurants. A lot more people will be vaccinated in that time.
A lot more jobs will be lost, too.
I don't think so its more inconsistency in what they say to be honest, particularly Hancock.a few months ago we could only dream of where we are now and especially on the vaccine front. There’s a lot to criticise with this Government but going over board on this is typical of the moaning society we live in.
I don't think so its more inconsistency in what they say to be honest, particularly Hancock.
Sorry I just dont like the guy.
I see no reason why outdoor hospitality cannot open tomorrow.you think the timescales are too tough?
Possibly not but I feel totally deflated tonight too be honest.fair enough but do you really think he makes the decisions ? He has a huge team of advisors including loads of scientists and health care workers. He’s just a mouthpiece.
The 'illustrative' maths also doesn't consider the seasonal effect that kept this low all of last summer too, as most things opened up.The maths is just illustrative that a major and rapid surge is still possible. Vaccines aren't 100% effective either. Vaccination programs can be delayed.
Given long COVID and the economy wide disruption another surge would entail, I'm not sure on QALYs but await your economic analysis with interest ;-)
I think we're doing OK right now. If cases remain well under control, I think it's likely it will go faster than govt have set out. Better this than yet another nightmare of hospitals full of the suffering and dying.
They've explained the reasoning behind the 5 week periods several times if you bother to listen.I see no reason why outdoor hospitality cannot open tomorrow.
I see no reason why outdoor sports cannot return tomorrow.
I see no reason why shops, hairdressers, gyms and other similar services cannot open tomorrow with social distancing requirements.
The road map is fine it itself, but it should all be moved forward by 2 or 3 weeks.
Please tell us which group of people, apart from pregnant women and those who are at risk from severe anaphylactic shocks, can't have the vaccine? If you are in latter group I doubt you'd put your life at risk mingling with cunts who don't give a fuck about others anyway.Yes, because that's how society works and is literally the whole point of the vaccination programme.
Let's simplify your question.
Do you want the people who cannot have a covid vaccine to be able to mingle with people for whom it hasn't worked?
Do you want the people for whom a vaccine hasn't worked but voluntarily received it to be able to mingle with those who are vaccinated?
Do you want those who are vaccinated to be able to mingle with anyone who isn't in any capacity?
Where would you as an individual draw the lines?
Subsitute covid for any other disease that kills people for which a vaccination is readily available. Flu? Measles? Should we segregate those people too?
Perhaps I'm over-estimating people's abilities to think bigger picture here, but let me repeat exactly what i said in my previous post: It's not about this example, it's not about covid, it's about what this may allow a government to do in future.
I don't think government should exist in anywhere close to the capacity it does anyway, so i'm probably wasting my time on this argument.
Edit: I just saw the last line in the attached quote. If i'm worried about other things throw away my phone and pc? I'm only allowed to be concerned about one thing at a time? What a blinkered world view. Shame.
The problem is the Indian supply of AZ vaccines but I don’t think we know the reason why. We are getting 5mil doses rather than the contracted 10mil during the affected month, from late March.Speculation: According to the Graun AZ has said it's meeting it's 2m dose a week commitment. "Global AZ issue" was cited by govt. Conclusion: AZ was planning to spring more supplies from India, but that's proved not possible, perhaps because the Indian govt has stopped it.
As I say, speculation.
Real world single dose efficacy in England reported (over 70s)
Similar for both vaccines, and some significant error bars, particularly on the AZ (smaller numbers) - could be a bit worse or quite a lot better.
- Takes ~4 weeks to kick in
- 60% against any symptoms
- 80% against hospitalisation
- 85% against deaths
There is evidence,but not yet confirmed, that it reduces transmission.The bit I’m struggling to comprehend are the vaccine passports and what they are looking to achieve? The vaccine doesn’t stop you catching it or presumably passing it on, so what benefit does only allowing vaccinated people travel etc. when the only risk that is mitigated is that they are less likely to die or end up in hospital?
It's probably because a handful of British people having to go to hospital in Spain or Greece or wherever is an acceptable result of opening up travel, whereas shedloads of people needing to be hospitalised abroad wouldn't be acceptable.The bit I’m struggling to comprehend are the vaccine passports and what they are looking to achieve? The vaccine doesn’t stop you catching it or presumably passing it on, so what benefit does only allowing vaccinated people travel etc. when the only risk that is mitigated is that they are less likely to die or end up in hospital?
It won’t be the restaurants fuelling the rise though, it’ll be the variants.Bulgaria has seen a 40% rise in cases in the past week.
Restaurants reopened at the beginning of March, and night clubs were due to return to business in April.
They have vaccinated less than 5% of their population so is it any wonder cases are increasing if they have already opened up large parts of their economy?Bulgaria has seen a 40% rise in cases in the past week.
Restaurants reopened at the beginning of March, and night clubs were due to return to business in April.
The bit I’m struggling to comprehend are the vaccine passports and what they are looking to achieve? The vaccine doesn’t stop you catching it or presumably passing it on, so what benefit does only allowing vaccinated people travel etc. when the only risk that is mitigated is that they are less likely to die or end up in hospital?