Wishy washy policing

west didsblue said:
It’s not often that a Tory government that’s been in power for 11 years, and hence is largely responsible for the current state of the country, is referred to as politically correct do gooders.
Not sure I agree.
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I have very little time for the Tories, my comments we aimed more at the "you cant do that" brigade, loads of people now couldnt give a shiny shite about the law and what is right or wrong. I understand society should aim to progress and I am a supporter of anyones human rights. But we are at a stsge where a criminals "human" rights make it impossible to create a society where people feel safe
Seems that there are now more self entitled snowflakes out there than is good for society.
 
abu13 said:
I have very little time for the Tories, my comments we aimed more at the "you cant do that" brigade, loads of people now couldnt give a shiny shite about the law and what is right or wrong. I understand society should aim to progress and I am a supporter of anyones human rights. But we are at a stsge where a criminals "human" rights make it impossible to create a society where people feel safe
Seems that there are now more self entitled snowflakes out there than is good for society.
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What position of power do the "you cant do that" brigade hold?
The laws in this country are determined by Parliament and the Tories have been in power doing exactly that for 11 years. Law enforcement policy and police numbers are also directly connected to government policy.
If you look at the real stats rather than listen to anecdotal evidence in some media outlets, crime fell year on year for the 20 years from 1995 to 2015. Since then it has risen significantly. Nothing to do with the "you cant do that" brigade but much more likely due to austerity making more people desperate coupled with a decline of 20,000 in police numbers since this government came into power in 2010. 2020 was the first year that police numbers have gone up since then so I suspect we will see a consequent fall in crime over the next few years.
In summary, the reason you don't feel safe is fuck all to do with snowflakes or human rights and everything to do with increased crime due to austerity and police cuts, and there's only one direction to point the blame.
 
west didsblue said:
What position of power do the "you cant do that" brigade hold?
The laws in this country are determined by Parliament and the Tories have been in power doing exactly that for 11 years. Law enforcement policy and police numbers are also directly connected to government policy.
If you look at the real stats rather than listen to anecdotal evidence in some media outlets, crime fell year on year for the 20 years from 1995 to 2015. Since then it has risen significantly. Nothing to do with the "you cant do that" brigade but much more likely due to austerity making more people desperate coupled with a decline of 20,000 in police numbers since this government came into power in 2010. 2020 was the first year that police numbers have gone up since then so I suspect we will see a consequent fall in crime over the next few years.
In summary, the reason you don't feel safe is fuck all to do with snowflakes or human rights and everything to do with increased crime due to austerity and police cuts, and there's only one direction to point the blame.
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But they wont ...... because Corbyn
 
Chippy_boy said:
, there have been no successful hard left societies/economies,
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China's state capital model says Hello, unless of course you say China is no longer Communist.

It is just about to overtake the home of capitalism as the world's largest economy.
 
Rascal said:
China's state capital model says Hello, unless of course you say China is no longer Communist.

It is just about to overtake the home of capitalism as the world's largest economy.
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... and OF COURSE it's not Communist. Unless you think that the 324 new billionaires this year in China is all part of a perfectly normal Communist model?

What is blindingly obvious is that it is the rampant capitalism in China which has allowed it to soon become the world's largest economy when previously, as a communist regime, it was impoverished.

Only the ideologically blinded would fail to see this.
 
abu13 said:
I have very little time for the Tories, my comments we aimed more at the "you cant do that" brigade, loads of people now couldnt give a shiny shite about the law and what is right or wrong. I understand society should aim to progress and I am a supporter of anyones human rights. But we are at a stsge where a criminals "human" rights make it impossible to create a society where people feel safe
Seems that there are now more self entitled snowflakes out there than is good for society.
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No you can't do that you don't have the money to go to Eton
No you can't do that you don't have connections in high places to get PPE contracts
No you can't do that but it doesnt apply to us because we are rich
No you can't do that because my human rights as a rich person have been affronted by that poor person having rights.

My word lad, you have bought the Capitalist bullshit, that keeps the likes of you in your place. Doff cap tug forelock

The real snowflakes are the people who don't want the people with nothing to have anything approaching what they have.
 
Chippy_boy said:
... and OF COURSE it's not Communist. Unless you think that the 324 new billionaires this year in China is all part of a perfectly normal Communist model?
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So its not Communist anymore....AH RIGHT, Imagine that.

Can you please point me to where it says Communist's can not be wealthy?
 
Rascal said:
So its not Communist anymore....AH RIGHT, Imagine that.

Can you please point me to where it says Communist's can not be wealthy?
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So you support people having personal wealth running into billions do you? That's a new one on me if you do.

In any event, China is not Communist. To quote Tom Wetzer, writer and former Philosphy Professor, "
The ruling elite in China — and their party, the Chinese Communist Party — really have nothing to do with communism — if we are using “communism” here in the sense derived from the historical socialist movement.

China is a thoroughly capitalist country and that is why there is a sizeable elite of wealthy capitalists — owners of various kinds of businesses. The elite hold onto the name “communist” for the party because they don’t want to lose face and because occasional socialist rhetoric helps to bolster the party’s sense of legitimacy to rule."
 
Chippy_boy said:
So you support people having personal wealth running into billions do you? That's a new one on me if you do.

In any event, China is not Communist. To quote Tom Wetzer, writer and former Philosphy Professor, "
The ruling elite in China — and their party, the Chinese Communist Party — really have nothing to do with communism — if we are using “communism” here in the sense derived from the historical socialist movement.

China is a thoroughly capitalist country and that is why there is a sizeable elite of wealthy capitalists — owners of various kinds of businesses. The elite hold onto the name “communist” for the party because they don’t want to lose face and because occasional socialist rhetoric helps to bolster the party’s sense of legitimacy to rule."
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Are you now going to agree that the USSR was also not Communist.

Marx was not against wealth, he was against the exclusion from wealth. That is two totally different things. It is when wealth uses wealth to exploit those without wealth is where Marx has issues.
 
Rascal said:
Are you now going to agree that the USSR was also not Communist.

Marx was not against wealth, he was against the exclusion from wealth. That is two totally different things. It is when wealth uses wealth to exploit those without wealth is where Marx has issues.
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So, just for the record (I'm loving this, btw) you're saying that you are OK with people amassing a personal wealth of billions upon billions of pounds?

And whilst you're at it, some examples of successful communist economies which have propered and raised living standards for all? Needn't be recent ones, I'd be interested if you know of any?

And if there are none, how many more attempts should we give it before concluding that whether noble in principle or not, Communism simply does not work?
 
Chippy_boy said:
So, just for the record (I'm loving this, btw) you're saying that you are OK with people amassing a personal wealth of billions upon billions of pounds?

And whilst you're at it, some examples of successful communist economies which have propered and raised living standards for all? Needn't be recent ones, I'd be interested if you know of any?

And if there are none, how many more attempts should we give it before concluding that whether noble in principle or not, Communism simply does not work?
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Please provide some examples of Communist states that were allowed to exist without sanctions being imposed for no reason other than they were communist?


BTW Cuba is now rated one of the best health services in the world (whilst the UK has dropped to 18th Since the Tories took power in 2010)

Whats a government for ? if its not to look after and protect the health , safety and wellbeing of its populace?
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Please provide some examples of Communist states that were allowed to exist without sanctions being imposed for no reason other than they were communist?


BTW Cuba is now rated one of the best health services in the world (whilst the UK has dropped to 18th Since the Tories took power in 2010)

Whats a government for ? if its not to look after and protect the health , safety and wellbeing of its populace?
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Deary me. 100 years of abject failure and your best effort is the Cuban health care system? Talk about clutching at straws.

Thankfully you are in a minority of about 0.01% of the UK population and therefore not even the cubed root of fuck all chance of your daft ideas ever seeing the light of day. Thank God.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Deary me. 100 years of abject failure and your best effort is the Cuban health care system? Talk about clutching at straws.

Thankfully you are in a minority of about 0.01% of the UK population and therefore not even the cubed root of fuck all chance of your daft ideas ever seeing the light of day. Thank God.
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Insults .... the last refuge of those that know they have lost the argument before it even began - Samuel Leghorn Clemons (Mark Twain to you)
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Insults .... the last refuge of those that know they have lost the argument before it even began - Samuel Leghorn Clemons (Mark Twain to you)
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Unsurprisingly you did not realise that my comments you quoted were not an ad hominem attack, but rather were critical of your political ideology.
 
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stonerblue said:
Dunno why you're slagging off Communism when any regime that could fall under the label had/has the least 'wishy-washy' policing of the lot?
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True, but it comes with other "baggage" doesn't it. Like everyone apart from criminals being piss poor.
 
stonerblue said:
Dunno why you're slagging off Communism when any regime that could fall under the label had/has the least 'wishy-washy' policing of the lot?
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