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[Sibierskii]

Kaveh Solhekol reporting on SSN one board member at one of the 6 clubs ‘didnt even know’ they had signed up and spent some time trying to contact the clubs owner. Hmmm i wonder who

 

[Steve68]

I cannot address all your questions but the answer to making clubs more sustainable is to stop paying silly money transfer fees and wages.

Don’t pay £150m and £500k per week for Haaland. Find the next Jamie Vardy for £100k.

Don’t pay £60mill for Mahrez or whatever spare winger we were picking up that pre-season. Give Sancho a good contract and game time.

Be more Dortmund and less Barca.

But this means owners and us fans accepting we will have to fight harder for success. That we cannot have two or more world class players in every position.

Until this unsustainable money madness ends, elite clubs will be forced to prowl the football ocean like starving sharks, desperate for their next meal.

 

[Woody135]

Kaveh Solhekol reporting on SSN one board member at one of the 6 clubs ‘didnt even know’ they had signed up and spent some time trying to contact the clubs owner. Hmmm i wonder who

Probably spurs

 

[SilvaisSkyBlue]

so 12 clubs can decide they are above everything and everyone and try destroy the structures of the game without consequence?

lads you're on cloud cuckoo land

You're as morally bankrupt as the cunts who dreamed this up if you think this should be excused without punishment

All your posts are absolute bollocks, not just on this thread but every thread you are involved in.

 

[SWP's back]

so 12 clubs can decide they are above everything and everyone and try destroy the structures of the game without consequence?

lads you're on cloud cuckoo land

You're as morally bankrupt as the cunts who dreamed this up if you think this should be excused without punishment

Whether you or I want punishments is totally immaterial.

There will none as no rule was broken.

 

[Marvin]

so 12 clubs can decide they are above everything and everyone and try destroy the structures of the game without consequence?

lads you're on cloud cuckoo land

You are on cloud cuckoo land if you think that those 12 clubs are equivalent. That ESL plot was openly discussed in the papers at the start of the season. This was the exclusive league that has been mooted a Man Utd and Liverpools attempt to cut City out in case they could not bend UEFA to their will. They messed up on both counts.

Real Madrid, Juve, Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal drove this. City and Chelsea accepted invitations.

There will be no major punishments for Manchester City. We shot the damn thing down when it came to it, and only joined it on the very last day (simon stone, BBC). I don't know exactly what our thinking was. It may have been greed, it may have been subterfuge but it is not the equivalent of Man Utd. Why do you think investment banker Woodward is going, and why did he resign yesterday? His plot. His failure. His defeat.

I can see some minor sanction and censure for City but I'd quite welcome some investigation because our major rivals have much much more to lose than us.

AT worse we're greedy and incompetent because we signed up for something that was doomed. At best we're damned smart. What we aren't is calculating and devious and duplicitous. Ceferin's comments are very understandable

Well done though for arguing a point against a prevailing point of view.

 

[Chris B]

Our debt is the lease on the stadium isn't it? Other than that we've fuck all long term debt.

It doesn’t say long term debt tbf, but looking at the latest accounts I can’t get to £202m.

Player transfer debt is a bit bigger than the stadium lease debt at about £70m odd I think, although we’re owed about £60m odd on transfers so that doesn’t really matter.

All large organisations have large debts (and also large assets), for example our tax debt is about £15m, other companies owe us £150m (I guess this must be tv money and sponsorship mainly). City don’t have any debts to worry about, even if they do total £100 or £200m in accounting terms.

 

[Newman Noggs]

A lot of things were said during this last hours, from Football is dead, football belong to the fans, let save football, i don't recognize my club, etc.

But despite what we think about some clubs or owners, don't you think something in missing that need to be addressed?

- why these clubs tought about joining this project? What was the motivation behind?

- why they wanted a closed or almost league instead of CL?

-why suddenly UEFA talk about distributing more money?

- do you think if many people saw the 2024 CL format?

-why they didn't come up clear with this project before an official announcement?

-why UEFA is against it?

-why the medias are against it?

- why many people don't know that before CL there was a competition called C1?

- is there a parallel with the bosman case? It was revolutionary at that time

- Are the players responsible for this? Don't you thnik their wages are a burden for many competitive clubs?

-why fans (mostly) want their team to win everything but don't take into account the money involved, operating costs?

-why there is a correlation between succces and clubs turnovers? (with few exceptions)

- why a club like Barca has to borrow money from banks to pay their players wages despite having a big turnover and no dividend for shareholders?

- What are the solutions to make the clubs sustainable?

- If fans wants constant success, will they accept to pay more for this succes?

- How nowadays a club can be competitive, sustainable without global following? Tourists glory hunters call them what you want

- During this Corona times, how clubs can cope with it if the revenues are less and players demand more wages to negociate to extend their contracts?

Why some of our "City fans" who hated CL and preferred the premier league suddenly felt that the club let them down because it wanted to play in a new format instead of CL? (i am not about the no communication before but the idea of joining)

Hang on, there's a howling mob of self-identified victims here and they want acknowledgement of their high moral standing and a grovelling apology and they want it all now. Fuck explanations.

 

[JGL07]

Cool story.

The same AC Milan that is absolutely broke and hasn't finished above 5th in a weak Serie A for 10 years? Whos last Champions League title was 15 years ago? Who hasn't even been able to qualify for the champions league from a weaker league in a decade now?

Or the Inter Milan side who is again, broke, and hasn't won a declining Serie A in 10 years, finishing outside the Champs league spots more often then not?

When's the last time either of those 2 clubs were serious draws or major powers? At the moment they are has beens.

Oh but they have the history so I suppose they should be given a free pass then yeah?

Fucking Spurs have more of a right to call themselves a top 12 European club than those two at the moment.

Milan are 81 in the UEFA Rankings. That is below Real Betis, Getafe, PAOK, Qarabag, Malmö, BTE Borisiv and FK Astana.

Inter are 33 in the rankings below Sporting, Basel, and Besiktas.

Spurs are 13 largely on the basis of their final place two years back.

 

[ONTHERUNWITHTHAKSIN]

The ESL was intended though as a rival to the Champions League and to be run in parallel with the Premier League and other clubs. Many have made the point before that the Champions League is becoming a super league and that it damages the Premier League by rocket fueling those clubs who are in it, hence we get a Sky 4.

The ESL that was mooted would have given City a lot of money. I am slightly worried that we accepted entrance to it. One theory was that it was a rope-a-dope, a tactic to get Man Utd and Liverpool to show their hand, launch it, and then shoot them down, or it was straightforward greed. Both are possible.

I boo the CL anthem and I still believe it is rotten to the core and needs properly looking at

I am hopeful but not expecting UEFA to sort there own house out but could never be hopeful that the ESL would ever be fair

How could any City fan trust anything the Rags, Dippers, Arse and Tebas were involved with

This is why I hope that City have played a master stroke with this but at the moment can only deal with the facts

We become one with the shite who tried to fuck us over

 

[Metalartin]

Sorry but I'm sick of the bullshit from people trying to remove any nuance because they are upset. I agree it's a bit of a stretch to assume City played the cartel to weed out the snakes(would have been better to say no and let them just go ahead with it). However other people are just as bad with the theory that City colluded with the cartel from the begining because that goes against the timeline of info we were given by the media(who have no love for City).

Setting the thing up, pitching it to your fellow cartel members and then fear mongering the few big clubs(none cartel) who were not part of the negotiations, contract drafting, setup process... into joining at short notice. That's all a damn site worse than being one of those few clubs who joined late out of fear of being left behind by something they were told they couldn't stop. You'd have to be blind not to see the difference.

I suppose, it's not confirmed but there are reports that City didn't have long to decide and were still unsure about it as it was announced, hence City not being part of the initial list of clubs, with some journalists saying City are the only club not to be involved. The balanced outlook isn't deciding how you want to feel about this, cherry picking which reports you want to remember or not and then coming to your conclusion. You take all sides of it and try and deduce the most likely events that took place and the reasons for them.

As for punishments, come back down to earth, just because you're upset it doesn't mean crime has taken place or rules have been broken. These cartel members spent years on this and will have hired lawyers to cover all aspects of it. What has happened is people have a lot of bad will towards these clubs because trust has been broken with the rest of football, which includes their own fans and possibly their sponsors.

 

[Protein Junkie]

I'm hoping we are waiting for the Hollywood movie

I’m sure Peter Jackson has some Orcs left from Lord of the Rings to play the Glazers.

 

[Nicholas van Whatsisface]

so 12 clubs can decide they are above everything and everyone and try destroy the structures of the game without consequence?

lads you're on cloud cuckoo land

You're as morally bankrupt as the cunts who dreamed this up if you think this should be excused without punishment

Point missed - which is fair enough, as it was a pretty long post!

My point is who do you think has the moral rightness to punish us exactly?

Because if you say the PL or UEFA, you’re suggesting we bow to a bunch of crooks as morally reprehensible, corrupt and self-serving as the lot we were trying to form a league with.

I’d be all for it if there were just one morally upstanding organisation in amongst this shower of shysters who I thought would use the money for anything other than to line their own pockets.

Look at the last time we had a a fine for failing FFP from UEFA - where did that go? Straight to the other clubs in the CL - so United, Madrid, Barcelona and Juventus got the money. How is that somehow benefitting the good of the game?

Give me an idea on who you think is the morally upstanding entity in all this who should have the right to punish us, and I’ll agree with you.

But don’t tell me it’s the PL or UEFA, as they’re no better than the 12 clubs you want punishing.

 

[Marvin]

No and that’s why I was overjoyed with the CAS decision

but we were becoming as bad as our aggressor with signing up to this

couldn’t care less about other teams but we should know better than most about unfairness

Back in 1980, if an investor came along and pump-primed a rival club like Sheikh Masnour did with Man City you would certainy feel this to be unfair. We followed the Chelski model with a difference. Roman keeps pumping money in. We stopped. We are actually everything the FFP is supposed to be about. Sustainability but most of football would laugh at this.

No all that matters is winning, and absolutely hammering Liverpool and Man Utd into the ground. We had 2 years where Liverpool were plotting to destroy us. Seriously we were close to the edge. We need to remember that always and act accordingly.

 

[burning blue soul]

Yep
An amateur team just got into the French cup semi final. Not that long ago another amateur team, Calais, got to the final.

Still world fricking champions, though, aren't they?
Footballers used to take their false teeth out before playing the last time we called ourselves that.

And anyway, spurs have got to a final this year.... so your point is moot!! ;)

 

[Gundog’s Gundog]

I cannot address all your questions but the answer to making clubs more sustainable is to stop paying silly money transfer fees and wages.

Don’t pay £150m and £500k per week for Haaland. Find the next Jamie Vardy for £100k.

Don’t pay £60mill for Mahrez or whatever spare winger we were picking up that pre-season. Give Sancho a good contract and game time.

Be more Dortmund and less Barca.

But this means owners and us fans accepting we will have to fight harder for success. That we cannot have two or more world class players in every position.

Until this unsustainable money madness ends, elite clubs will be forced to prowl the football ocean like starving sharks, desperate for their next meal.

How long does the football industry need to sustain its current, long established financial model before the naysayers stop levelling the throwaway accusation at it that it’s unsustainable ?

 

[Bandofblues]

You forgot one question.

Why does this need a separate thread?

 

[Centurions]

so 12 clubs can decide they are above everything and everyone and try destroy the structures of the game without consequence?

lads you're on cloud cuckoo land

You're as morally bankrupt as the cunts who dreamed this up if you think this should be excused without punishment

"You're as morally bankrupt...", hahaha, get to fuck.

 

[BlueMoonz1977]

Just seen the apologises from both red yank clubs - what a crock of total bullshit

PR ham at its mature finest

 

[Steve68]

How long does the football industry need to sustain its current, long established financial model before the naysayers stop levelling the throwaway accusation at it that it’s unsustainable ?

How big was our loss this year?