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Would you be happy if City joined this European Super League?

  • Yes

    Votes: 109 5.3%
  • No

    Votes: 1,954 94.7%

  • Total voters
    2,063
UEFA has said that the 12 founding ESL clubs, including #ManCity, will face consequences - the first will be that “they will live with shame" with proper sanctions to come. Several big clubs are also asking UEFA for sanctions for the 12 clubs. [via
@mohamedbouhafsi


]#PL chief executive Richard Masters contacted executives today to request that they relinquish their roles on key Premier League sub-committees. #ManCity's Ferran Soriano was asked to step down from the Club Strategic Advisory Group [CSAG].
 
Who's baiting him and who's being a ****, to quote another poster? If he comes on here and rants that one of the most loyal and decent fan bases in the world should be ashamed, because our owner decided to join a league none of us knew nothing about, he's going to get a few verbal bricks thrown his way.
Maybe, and I don't agree with him. But is he a City fan? You bet he is. Came to games when we were absolute shite, from bloody miles away, so I'll forgive him if his opinion is different from mine on this occasion.
It's fine to disagree with opinions and it's fine to throw a few verbal bricks (as you say). Yet we all see and feel things differently and I think we should remember that.
 
The context is fans anger at what the money-grabbing ESL stands for & is trying to achieve, when the money-grabbing PL did the same thing by essentially braking away from the Football League 30 years ago. I don't recall such a massive outcry???? Why?
There was a massive outcry!

The initial attempt by the 5 (United Liverpool Spurs Arsenal and Everton) was to set up a rebranded Division One with 75% of the TV deal to be shared between themselves and the other 25% between the other 17 teams (there were 22 teams in Division One then).

That didn’t happen in the end because there was so much pressure put on them they folded on it.

In the end Division One was rebranded, still under The FA (don’t forget the FA existed before the Football League did), as the Premier League where nothing at all change other than the governance not coming from the Football League.

The main reason for the rebranding was because the FA and the clubs wanted to distance themselves from decades of hooliganism where English football was seen in a negative light across the world, crowds had dwindled, and the standard of football was utterly dreadful.

Meritocracy was still there just as it had been since 1888. Teams could get promoted on merit and not chosen by a group of teams who could say “Nah we don’t care that Ipswich have won the Second Division, we don’t fancy them getting into the Premier League, Derby are a bigger club with more potential and they only finished 6 points behind Ipswich so what’s the difference? they’re coming up instead. And while we’re at it, let’s not relegate all three teams, West Ham can stay up so we’ll keep Boro down as well”.

No, instead teams were promoted and relegated as it had always been - apart from Arsenal and Spurs in 1919:
——Division One was expanding to 22 teams in 1919-20 and all 20 clubs in Div1 from 1914-15 (the Great War interrupted the years from 1915-1919) were told they were going to stay up that season, so no relegation, and they would just be joined by the Top2 from Div2. However, Arsenal who finished 5th in Div2 ended up getting promoted as well, and Spurs were relegated to make way for them!——

The ESL was a scandalous attempt at a bailout for the clubs in biggest debt who were so insecure about their grip on power and success that they tried to ruin the fabric of domestic football just to get JP Morgan to bail them out. That was the entire point to this ESL. Not football, not enhancing football, nor taking football forward... just to pay off debts and give a small number of insecure clubs some power and money.

This group of clubs decided that they’d always remain in this league no matter what, they could never not qualify for it. They could head down to League 1 and just use domestic football to field EDS teams and not worry about a thing because they’d always be in the ESL. Everton could build and move to their new stadium, win the Premier League title and the ESL clubs could say “Nah we don’t care that Everton have won the Premier League, we don’t fancy them getting into the ESL, Red Bull have said they’ll invest a bit of money into the ESL so we’re going to let Salzburg in instead. And while we’re at it, let’s not let Benfica back next season despite doing really well in the ESL in their last few invites, they’re not bringing enough money in so Porto can come in instead and Benfica can sod off for a bit.”

Why City tagged along with these shysters is a mystery. We didn’t need to at all. We could and should have stuck two fingers up at their invite and laughed at them from the sidelines and made ourselves the bastions of morality in English football.

The biggest missed opportunity we’ve ever had!
 
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Jesus what happened in this thread lol...its like zombie apocalypse rantings.

A lot of pent up emotion and stress being released. That for me is one of the biggest crimes these clubs, including ours committed, in my humble opinion. People already low with over 12 months of restrictions, illness and in some cases deaths, woke up to have all this shit dumped on their heads. Nobody needed or wanted it. A total cunts trick.
 
We’re just cunts being cunts apparently, this place is fuckin balloon central.
I feel like we should lay off him a bit now though to be honest. Emotions are high for some, said a few things he will probably regret etc

But for me there was some hypocrisy in what he was saying, some of the most militant are those trying to stir up a lynch mob for the owner/board and then getting aggressive with those who disagree. Many of us are still pissed off and disappointed in the decisions made but just think that's far too over the top. For me, there certainly is a way back from this, there has to be for all the good they've done for this club(and Manchester) and the different circumstances in which they became involved in this ARE relevant(compared to the cartel).
 
Maybe, and I don't agree with him. But is he a City fan? You bet he is. Came to games when we were absolute shite, from bloody miles away, so I'll forgive him if his opinion is different from mine on this occasion.
It's fine to disagree with opinions and it's fine to throw a few verbal bricks (as you say). Yet we all see and feel things differently and I think we should remember that.

I'm glad you can verify he is actually a Blue because most of his rantings appear to do nothing but slag off the club and fanbase, so nobody would have guessed. I'm not sure of his nationality but I haven't used it in any of my verbal bricks to him, where he called me "England's shame" or some other stereotype. Bordering a little on being racist in my opinion.
 
I have been intrigued reading theories that City's participation and withdrawal were opportunist manoeuvres to settle a few scores with our PL colleagues. At first this seems simply one more fascinating conspiracy theory. I don't know how much credibility it merits but a little thought suggests it is not to be dismissed lightly. )

We cannot forget the role played in the events surrounding the famous Der Spiegel emails and the role played in those events by Manchester United (including the pious comments of Ed Woodward), Liverrpool and Arsenal. I'm sure City would not have been averse to a vote to expel the three from the PL but I doubt they viewed this as a realistic outcome. But City's withdrawal with that of Chelsea destroyed the ESL and forced the trio to get out double quick. Ed Woodward is now history and it is hard to see how these three clubs will enjoy anything like the influence with UEFA that they have for the last 20 years. And the hopes of a considerable input of funds has vanished. They are still up towards the top of the European super debtors' league and their plans for the transfer window in shards at their feet. And all this goes for Barcelona and Real. Barcelona will now have a summer of dealing with their massive debts and thinking how they can possibly offer Messi a realistic contract. Even Ceferin may have noticed that those who bugger City about seem not to prosper.
You certainly put the idea across logically and I sincerely hope you are correct.
I freely admit I was incensed,emotional,irrational and confrontational with the world when this news broke on Sunday night. I just could not (still can’t) work out why the most intelligent, forward thinking board in English football thought they could gain from this idea.

Being realistic, the one big, key advantage City has over our domestic rivals is the fact we are significantly richer than they are. We simply aren’t (yet) as big a club as united or the scousers. We don’t have their trophy count (yet) etc. Signing up for the ESL was literally throwing away our one advantage as they would have received serious cash enabling them to close the cash gap between us whilst maintaining their own advantages. What made it worse was doing so knowing their CEOs were going to be on the management board of this new venture. Anybody could see we were going to be royally stitched up once this was up and running and if we could all see it our board must have as well.

Your theory goes some way towards explaining a (admittedly far fetched) reason for the clubs decision.

I don’t expect we will ever fully know what their reasons were, and whilst trust is in short supply at the moment hopefully the damage can be repaired eventually.

God I would love it to be as you say.
 
Isn’t this a pay wall? and if so am I the only person on BM that hasn’t subscribed to the Telegraph- just when I’d stopped feeling ashamed as well
You’ll be telling us you’re not a member of the Tory party next!
 
A lot of pent up emotion and stress being released. That for me is one of the biggest crimes these clubs, including ours committed, in my humble opinion. People already low with over 12 months of restrictions, illness and in some cases deaths, woke up to have all this shit dumped on their heads. Nobody needed or wanted it. A total cunts trick.

I've been guilty of being very abusive quite a few times over the last couple of days and I've just been thinking along pretty much the same lines myself.

Fans are angry, very angry. Emotions are running high and people go OTT. The clubs in question do have a lot to answer for.
 
In the PL no team was safe from relegation

in ESL the founder members were always safe from relegation
Theoretically yes. But in reality, the disparity between the Rags & Brighton couldn't be more stark. In the early 2000s after Leeds went bust & Newcastle nearly did, the "Big 4" finishing in the top four spots was nearly as predictable as night following day.

This disparity is exactly what those four clubs wanted, & why they fought so fiercely to stop City breaking up that cosy cartel. Look how many years Liverpool, ManUre & Arsenal have spent outside the CL because of City & Spurs? Their solution? A Superleague, or revamped CL with historically successful teams added.

Football is bent. My point still stands though, I still don't get the big hoo haa over the ESL when everyone was so accepting of the PL.?
 
Is Bill giving out the diehard blue badges these days? He’s not given me one for years, fucker.

And it’s not a difference of opinion like Mancini or Hughes or Mahrez or Silva, he’s literally calling for the club to be disbanded and that the fan base (that don’t agree with that) are all arseholes. Of course some will call him names (I’ve only called him a “train” so I’ve been uber reserved by my standards). He may have been a diehard blue once, I loved my ex at one point, I couldn’t give a fuck about her now and I’m certainly not a fan of hers.
Bill put him up about 15 years ago when he travelled to Manchester for a game.
He arrived here knowing nobody, but came to the Waldorf for the pre match and we all welcomed him. Bill offered him a bed that night because he was a bit bladdered.
I don't want to fall.out with fellow Blues and I'm sure Esteban doesn't.
It's all just reactionary emotional crap now.
 
I said punished until the army piled on. Including you.

You've been shown for what you really are. A pathetic bully

You can have your echo chamber you sad little child
I did not pile on, I said “It does not matter what punishment you or I want, the truth is that there will be none as no rules have been broken”

So how is that a pile on? You next post after mine had a massive go at the fan base and finished with “Laters”

Grow up. You talk of bullying after several called you names in response to you saying they had no morals and are basically cunts. What sort of whiny little bitch runs into a pub, shouts “You’re all cunts” then runs home to Mummy when someone calls you a cûnt back?

And I’m anything but sad, I’m excited for the game and my team kicking off in an hour and I’m drinking a large glass of very average red wine on my balcony and enjoying the evening warmth, mainly laughing at how hysterical you’ve been in the last half hour.
 
City having no love for UEFA is understandable, it was them they were directly betraying and UEFA have no room to grumble about that, they acted like snakes towards City in the recent past. They lost sight of the bigger picture though, assuming they did know it was essentially a closed shop. There were some reports suggesting City and Chelsea were kept in the dark about some stuff... Long shot that though in my opinion but I'd feel much better if that was the case(because fuck UEFA).
 
I've been guilty of being very abusive quite a few times over the last couple of days and I've just been thinking along pretty much the same lines myself.

Fans are angry, very angry. Emotions are running high and people go OTT. The clubs in question do have a lot to answer for.

I think it's popped a cork mate. At least online we haven't punched anybody in the head lol.
 
Theoretically yes. But in reality, the disparity between the Rags & Brighton couldn't be more stark. In the early 2000s after Leeds went bust & Newcastle nearly did, the "Big 4" finishing in the top four spots was nearly as predictable as night following day.

This disparity is exactly what those four clubs wanted, & why they fought so fiercely to stop City breaking up that cosy cartel. Look how many years Liverpool, ManUre & Arsenal have spent outside the CL because of City & Spurs? Their solution? A Superleague, or revamped CL with historically successful teams added.

Football is bent. My point still stands though, I still don't get the big hoo haa over the ESL when everyone was so accepting of the PL.?
Opinions mate

we all differ

I do agree football was, is and mostly always will be bent
 
I feel like we should lay off him a bit now though to be honest. Emotions are high for some, said a few things he will probably regret etc

But for me there was some hypocrisy in what he was saying, some of the most militant are those trying to stir up a lynch mob for the owner/board. Many of us are still pissed off and disappointed in the decisions made but just think that's far too over the to. For me, there certainly is a way back from this, there has to be for all the good they've done for this club and the different circumstances in which they became involved in this ARE relevant.
No proper blue is happy with the events of the past few days but a perspective is needed and to say the club should be disbanded is a fuckin joke,i’ve been going since 69 my family since the 1920’s, the club did make a big mistake but it’s been righted and hope us and football have learnt a lesson
 

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