Coronavirus (2021) thread

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Claytop said:
Is that actually confirmed though?

I’ve not been following much recently but never remember seeing that point made, I know it reduced transmission chances but completely?
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I’d like to think the yanks are pretty confident, they wouldn’t take the risk unnecessarily.
 
Tonster said:
Go into the your health section, GP health record then medicines. My two vaccine doses are then displayed there.
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Hmm, says I don’t currently have access online to my medical record - do you think I have to contact my GP or is there some other way of doing this?
 
Remember how much better than the EU our vaccine investment, procurement and programme is?

The EU is currently vaccinating more people than we are, and at the same time exporting half of its vaccine production (half of ours is imported). Cases and deaths are both falling across almost all member states, although only Portugal has rates as low as ours. It is not a coincidence that Portugal had a very hard lockdown, as we did.

Still, the narrative is what matters, right?

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Industrial Policy Saved Europe’s Vaccine Drive

The EU got its act together not by banning exports but through classic cooperation with industry.
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By now, criticism of EU vaccine procurement has almost stopped. Vaccination rates have accelerated everywhere. Apart from Hungary and Malta, which are ahead, and Croatia, Latvia, and Bulgaria, which lag behind, most participants are moving ahead at the same speed. This common pace was the idea behind common procurement.

Member states obtained 14 million doses in January, 28 million in February, 60 million in March, and 105 million in April. The commission expects 125 million doses in May and 200 million in June, putting the bloc on track to have an annual capacity of 3 billion to 4 billion doses. Even when new vaccines become available, Breton said, Europe doesn’t need them. There are now 53 manufacturing sites in Europe, up from barely a dozen in January. According to Breton, “We should be proud of Europe’s industrial capacity.” His boss, von der Leyen, said Europe has used this crisis to reinvent itself and become stronger, as happened repeatedly in the past. She called Europe, still exporting almost half of its vaccine output, “the pharmacy of the world.”
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Remember how much better than the EU our vaccine investment, procurement and programme is?

The EU is currently vaccinating more people than we are, and at the same time exporting half of its vaccine production (half of ours is imported). Cases and deaths are both falling across almost all member states, although only Portugal has rates as low as ours. It is not a coincidence that Portugal had a very hard lockdown, as we did.

Still, the narrative is what matters, right?

foreignpolicy.com

Industrial Policy Saved Europe’s Vaccine Drive

The EU got its act together not by banning exports but through classic cooperation with industry.
foreignpolicy.com foreignpolicy.com

By now, criticism of EU vaccine procurement has almost stopped. Vaccination rates have accelerated everywhere. Apart from Hungary and Malta, which are ahead, and Croatia, Latvia, and Bulgaria, which lag behind, most participants are moving ahead at the same speed. This common pace was the idea behind common procurement.

Member states obtained 14 million doses in January, 28 million in February, 60 million in March, and 105 million in April. The commission expects 125 million doses in May and 200 million in June, putting the bloc on track to have an annual capacity of 3 billion to 4 billion doses. Even when new vaccines become available, Breton said, Europe doesn’t need them. There are now 53 manufacturing sites in Europe, up from barely a dozen in January. According to Breton, “We should be proud of Europe’s industrial capacity.” His boss, von der Leyen, said Europe has used this crisis to reinvent itself and become stronger, as happened repeatedly in the past. She called Europe, still exporting almost half of its vaccine output, “the pharmacy of the world.”
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it's interesting, Germany's vaccination rate way outstrips the UK's and France, Poland, Portugal are about to take over.
 
shemnel said:
it's interesting, Germany's vaccination rate way outstrips the UK's and France, Poland, Portugal are about to take over.
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Since February, with a few fluctuations, the UK vaccination rate hasn't varied much except fo a period when we imported significant stock from India. Which doesn't feel like something to be proud of any more.

The EU has risen consistently over the same period.

Don't get me wrong, the UK has done a great job on vaccination, but not in such a triumphal way as has become the accepted narrative.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Remember how much better than the EU our vaccine investment, procurement and programme is?

The EU is currently vaccinating more people than we are, and at the same time exporting half of its vaccine production (half of ours is imported). Cases and deaths are both falling across almost all member states, although only Portugal has rates as low as ours. It is not a coincidence that Portugal had a very hard lockdown, as we did.

Still, the narrative is what matters, right?

foreignpolicy.com

Industrial Policy Saved Europe’s Vaccine Drive

The EU got its act together not by banning exports but through classic cooperation with industry.
foreignpolicy.com foreignpolicy.com

By now, criticism of EU vaccine procurement has almost stopped. Vaccination rates have accelerated everywhere. Apart from Hungary and Malta, which are ahead, and Croatia, Latvia, and Bulgaria, which lag behind, most participants are moving ahead at the same speed. This common pace was the idea behind common procurement.

Member states obtained 14 million doses in January, 28 million in February, 60 million in March, and 105 million in April. The commission expects 125 million doses in May and 200 million in June, putting the bloc on track to have an annual capacity of 3 billion to 4 billion doses. Even when new vaccines become available, Breton said, Europe doesn’t need them. There are now 53 manufacturing sites in Europe, up from barely a dozen in January. According to Breton, “We should be proud of Europe’s industrial capacity.” His boss, von der Leyen, said Europe has used this crisis to reinvent itself and become stronger, as happened repeatedly in the past. She called Europe, still exporting almost half of its vaccine output, “the pharmacy of the world.”
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It's a good job I read Blue Moon as I'd never know this otherwise. As soon as things improve the media lose interest.
 
unicorn said:
It's a good job I read Blue Moon as I'd never know this otherwise. As soon as things improve the media lose interest
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It's not just lose interest. A large slice of the media have an active interest in promoting a narrative that suits their owners, regardless of the truth.

Boris Johnson worked (was bankrolled in effect) by the Telegraph. The Telegraph is owned by two tax exiles wo live on the Channel Island of Sark. Boris Johnson is reaping the benefits of the narrative on vaccination and it's (nonexistent) link to Brexit, as told in outlets like the Telegraph.

If you're a billionaire in favour of lax regulation, low taxes, and personal access to government ministers, this all makes perfect sense.

I will add again, though, that the UK has genuinely done a great job on vaccination.
 
Rather than look at the vaccine roll out as some sort of Brexit hangover competition we should be glad the EU have finally got their shit together - and equally glad that we've done so well. The worry really is poorer countries where higher population density, poor sanitation and low vaccination rates means the disease can thrive and mutate, exactly what's happened in India.
 
johnnymarrsbarres said:
Rather than look at the vaccine roll out as some sort of Brexit hangover competition we should be glad the EU have finally got their shit together - and equally glad that we've done so well. The worry really is poorer countries where higher population density, poor sanitation and low vaccination rates means the disease can thrive and mutate, exactly what's happened in India.
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Bang on.

And the investment in vaccine capacity referenced is what can make the difference to this. 3-4 billion doses from Europe!

Hopefully Novavax from the UK can be added to that too, and Valneva.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Current rates:

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That will likely look quite different in a month. The 2/3 weeks from the 31st May will be the peak for second doses in the U.K. given that the peak for first doses will be 84/98 days previously. Part of the reason for the slight slowdown is to ensure there are sufficient stocks to give these second doses and a definite increase in ‘vaccine hesitancy’ from the younger groups.
 
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