Media Thread 2020/21

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If any individual, organisation or state wishes to 'sportswash' any activities past, present or future, no matter how serious, there is a guaranteed if expensive way to achieve this.lt is simply to buy Manchester United and the effect would be like a Paul Daniels trick "now that's magic".
If for example an Islamic oil producing country who bought the rags, the about faces of Conn, Cohen and Co would be a sight to watch as they forgot their own pasts.
 
Today’s Mirror
Wow just ....WOW , English football just gets better and better , we are truly blessed in this country . Swashbuckling Chelsea have brushed aside Europe’s elite to storm their way to the pinnacle of the beautiful game, the champions league final. Magnificent Manchester United’s mixture of free transfers and academy players have gone all the way to their own European final , where they face the big spending juggernaut that is Villareal. And finally we saw Alisson produce the highlight of highlights when he eclipsed Panenka failure Aguero’s winning goal a few years back. The shot stopping bravery of the best Brazilian keeper in the league is well known. But who knew he was so deadly with his napper. The scenes of joy from the 30 people connected to Liverpool in the Hawthorns was amazing. Think 93.20 at the Etihad and times it by 100. What a goal, what a keeper, what a team, what resilience. Liverpool we salute you.

Kenny Toshack StJohn
 
Surely one of the biggest criticisms of this insistence that somehow there’s sportswashing going on is the fact that everything MCFC does gets picked up on and turned into a negative story about Abu Dhabi? If sportswashing was the motive then it‘s failed. Of course those who decide to attack MCFC or Abu Dhabi will continue to do so no matter what. When they attack fans it is just not on. MCFC fans did not sell the club; MCFC fans do not own the club... just as MUFC fans have no say who owns the club we should not be held accountable when a journalist (for whatever political reason - or because they are no longer in favour at MCFC - or because they support another club) determines the club’s ownership is wrong for whatever reason.

They attack fans because they know it hurts fans. When Piers Morgan called for MCFC fans to boycott the club because of a human rights issue in Dubai he failed to respond when I challenged him why he wasn’t urging Arsenal fans (including himself) from boycotting Arsenal - a club that has been receiving transformational income from Dubai longer than City have been receiving it from Abu Dhabi. If they believe it’s wrong for City to receive income from Abu Dhabi for these reasons then it is absolutely wrong for Arsenal to receive it from Dubai. Yet we hear nothing. Double standards.
 
Surely one of the biggest criticisms of this insistence that somehow there’s sportswashing going on is the fact that everything MCFC does gets picked up on and turned into a negative story about Abu Dhabi? If sportswashing was the motive then it‘s failed. Of course those who decide to attack MCFC or Abu Dhabi will continue to do so no matter what. When they attack fans it is just not on. MCFC fans did not sell the club; MCFC fans do not own the club... just as MUFC fans have no say who owns the club we should not be held accountable when a journalist (for whatever political reason - or because they are no longer in favour at MCFC - or because they support another club) determines the club’s ownership is wrong for whatever reason.

They attack fans because they know it hurts fans. When Piers Morgan called for MCFC fans to boycott the club because of a human rights issue in Dubai he failed to respond when I challenged him why he wasn’t urging Arsenal fans (including himself) from boycotting Arsenal - a club that has been receiving transformational income from Dubai longer than City have been receiving it from Abu Dhabi. If they believe it’s wrong for City to receive income from Abu Dhabi for these reasons then it is absolutely wrong for Arsenal to receive it from Dubai. Yet we hear nothing. Double standards.
Arsenal also have sleeve sponsorship from Rwanda. No one in the press seems to recall their history of genocide.
 
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Arsenal also have sleeve sponsorship from Rwanda. No one on the press seems to recall their history of genocide.
And of course every team that enters the FA Cup receives income from Dubai. Maybe if these critics wanted to make a real stand they’d urge all clubs to boycott the FA Cup? Of course, it’s not about punishing ALL clubs is it? Had they been serious about this topic they’d have challenged the FA, Arsenal and LFC for their links. Back in the 80s MUFC were potentially going to be bought by a Saudi prince. The newspaper coverage was overwhelmingly positive. It fell through but the fact remains that some pick and choose their causes for their own political, professional or supporter reasons. All I ever ask for is for all clubs (including fans, owners and players) to be treated fairly and equally.
 
Did l lose concentration or did BBC national news completely ignore tonight's demo and Uniteds latest home defeat.
They found time to promote Fergusons latest money making scheme/publicity trip which will no doubt be featured on Breakfast in the morning.
What an obsequious twat Roan is, a modern day Ever so 'umble Uriah Heap.
 
The likes of Delaney and Cohen have backed themselves into a very tight corner. They can criticize the human rights record of Abu Dhabi but very soon one of their darling clubs will be taken over and not by a local car dealer. How will they squirm out of it when they have to justify new owners from the gulf or China? Probably the same way they stay silent on clubs like Liverpool going to Dubai for warm weather training
 
Surely one of the biggest criticisms of this insistence that somehow there’s sportswashing going on is the fact that everything MCFC does gets picked up on and turned into a negative story about Abu Dhabi? If sportswashing was the motive then it‘s failed. Of course those who decide to attack MCFC or Abu Dhabi will continue to do so no matter what.
I'd like to add something for the sake of a counter argument.

I think there's a much wider public that really don't care about all of this. The most casual of fans or the EA FIFA generation all across the world aren't going to be reading articles about Abu Dhabi being bad.

They have it in F1. F1 superfans gets up in arms every year about races in Abu Dhabi and upcoming races in Saudi Arabia (But not Bahrain, because it's an entertaining track. Read into that what you will). But the increasingly large worldwide audience don't actually care.

I actually do believe that these things do advertise the respective countries, and overall they do a good job of it, despite what we see on the internet suggesting otherwise.

My personal issue is twofold. Firstly, the suggestion that these advertisements are as a means to hide away evil regimes and horrible terrors, as opposed to simple advertising. Tourism is a huge and ever growing industry. It's a brilliant way to boost income and economies. Sportswashing (in football) is a sinister term used to justify closeted bigotry towards successful Arabs, as well as the easiest (i.e. laziest) way to attack City. Bet365 advertise on shirts to make them seem cool when gambling is an everpresent social pandemic. Is that not sportswashing? Are the Coates family not evil? Coca-Cola and McDonald's advertise sports events galore, despite being massive contributors to worldwide obesity and diabetes issues? Is that not sportswashing? Why aren't they criticised at every turn? Bayer literally gave people AIDS once upon a time, and now they get advertised every time you read about Bayer Leverkusen. Nobody think that's weird? Either everybody is bad, in which case equal criticism should be levied at everyone. Or it's all just advertising.

Secondly, it annoys me that these days you see many writings on how the sole purpose of buying Man City was to sportswash. Not to sound patronising to anyone, but why the fuck does anybody with a lot of money buy a football club (or any sports club or similar)? It's because it's really fucking cool to own a (successful) club, and/or it's a great way to make money if you're good at making money, and/or if you love being successful in business then football clubs are an amazing ego boosting way to do it. Abramovich bought Chelsea because he loves football and wanted to own his own club. Kroenke, the Glazers wanted a club because like in the NFL it makes them money. FSG the same.

That's not to reduce it to those few elements. Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha bought Leicester City because of the reasons above, but it was also a great way to advertise his King Power company.

But City, no. Only to sportswash. Not to make money. Not to have the satisfaction of running one of the best run clubs in the world, all because of your own work. Not because it's a privilege to own a club. But because they're worried what the west thinks of them.

Please.
 
In the meantime is it too much to expect professional journalists from accurately reporting the ownership structure of our club? Sheikh Mansour has business interests all over the world including a major stake in the car firm Ferrari but you don't hear people referring to that as being "state owned."
It obviously is too much to ask.

It doesn't matter how busy the owner is, 1 visit in 12 years, no matter what, is not a good ratio.
 
Some very good points. I would argue that Khaldoon is the face of City and he is regularly seen in attendance. Mansour put his top man in charge. We are an investment not a photo opportunity.
Modern football doesn't allow an owner to blend into the background.
Most owners, these days are front and centre.
I like Khaldoon, he is a very good CEO and club front man, but the images of the Leicester owner on the Wembley pitch is what fans and media want to see these days.
The day after the media are glorifying Leicester ownership model as organic!!!.... fucking organic, lol!!!!!
But this is where we are now, bullshit gazumps brilliance!
 
The likes of Delaney and Cohen have backed themselves into a very tight corner. They can criticize the human rights record of Abu Dhabi but very soon one of their darling clubs will be taken over and not by a local car dealer. How will they squirm out of it when they have to justify new owners from the gulf or China? Probably the same way they stay silent on clubs like Liverpool going to Dubai for warm weather training

Given Ireland didn’t decriminalise homosexuality until 1993 nor did it permit abortion until even more recently, will Delaney soon produce a retrospective saying that the Jack Charlton teams should have been shunned?

I’m not criticising Ireland by the way and am gratefully aware that the laws and environment created since the 80s are a model for tolerance and acceptance. But it shows that a state, with institutionalised beliefs, cannot change overnight. You cooperate with those states, not scream at them from the sidelines- if anything the way that the owners have funded the women’s team, city in the community etc are a glimmer of hope that there is a willingness to reform in some areas back home
 
Of course in the past none of us seemed to know whether our majority shareholders were in attendance or not. We expected our chairman or CEO to be there and Khaldoon usually does attend, as does Ferran. But in the past did we ever make a big song and dance about whether David Makin (I’m sure he did attend every game but it wasn’t broadcast) or Stephen Boler (who kept Swales in power with his large shareholding) were there?

No media person pointed to our ownership and questioned whether they attended.

Bottom line is some newspapers want to sell content; some journalists want to get headlines and readers... MCFC and us fans are an easy target.

As someone who has received abuse off one of these so called professional journalists I’ve decided to ignore them. My words won’t stop them and their editors and owners (let’s not forget ALL newspapers are owned by someone and journalists have to write content that their editors and owners want otherwise they’d be moved on).

Let’s not fuel their need for readers and attention.
I agree with you, but we must make ourselves a harder target.
Times have changed.
The media put the battle for hearts and minds at the centre of everything. And we all know, as football fans, this is one sport where the heart overrides the mind at every turn.
We have suffered, basically, a nationwide bullying campaign against the club AND fans (especially fans), happening for the last 12 years!
It has escalated since Pep become unstoppable because we show how badly other clubs are run, and how well football can be played when done right, the scale of imitation from premier league right down to school level is testament to that.
And that is part of the problem, we are too good, too well run, too successful, and the only recourse from jealous rival fans (and the leech type journalists who feed them) is to question the integrity of the owners and financial (mis)management of the club. It is the only way oppo fans can make peace with their own clubs mediocrity.
A few more surprise visits every season by the big cheese is a win-win approach, as far as I'm concerned.
We are in desperate need of a human face for the clubs fans and to look to, it is also harder for the media to abuse somebody in their presence than from afar.
At present our club is perceived as state owned, because that what it looks like.... as unpalatable as that is.
 
At present our club is perceived as state owned, because that what it looks like.... as unpalatable as that is.
A fair post but I have just pulled this one bit out to ask...

Why does it look like it is state-owned?

Nobody says Godolphin racing is state-owned, neither do they say it for all the other Arab-based owners, in fact their input and investment into British racing is only heralded as a good thing for the BHA.

Sheikh Hamdan bin Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum is the Crown Prince of Dubai, United Arab Emirates.

Hamdan bin Rashid Al Maktoum the deputy ruler of Dubai and the minister of finance and industry of the United Arab Emirates. He was the second son of the late ruler Rashid bin Saeed Al Maktoum.

Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum is the Vice President and Prime Minister of the United Arab Emirates, its Minister of Defence, and ruler of the Emirate of Dubai.

Could you get any more state-owned than the last example but nope not a single word against them for what they do for racing.

Our owner has come in and done so much for East Manchester and beyond but he is never given any credit for that at all.
 
Today’s Mirror
Wow just ....WOW , English football just gets better and better , we are truly blessed in this country . Swashbuckling Chelsea have brushed aside Europe’s elite to storm their way to the pinnacle of the beautiful game, the champions league final. Magnificent Manchester United’s mixture of free transfers and academy players have gone all the way to their own European final , where they face the big spending juggernaut that is Villareal. And finally we saw Alisson produce the highlight of highlights when he eclipsed Panenka failure Aguero’s winning goal a few years back. The shot stopping bravery of the best Brazilian keeper in the league is well known. But who knew he was so deadly with his napper. The scenes of joy from the 30 people connected to Liverpool in the Hawthorns was amazing. Think 93.20 at the Etihad and times it by 100. What a goal, what a keeper, what a team, what resilience. Liverpool we salute you.

Kenny Toshack StJohn

haha oh dear
 
A fair post but I have just pulled this one bit out to ask...

Why does it look like it is state-owned?

Nobody says Godolphin racing is state-owned, neither do they say it for all the other Arab-based owners, in fact their input and investment into British racing is only heralded as a good thing for the BHA.

Sheikh Hamdan bin Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum is the Crown Prince of Dubai, United Arab Emirates.

Hamdan bin Rashid Al Maktoum the deputy ruler of Dubai and the minister of finance and industry of the United Arab Emirates. He was the second son of the late ruler Rashid bin Saeed Al Maktoum.

Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum is the Vice President and Prime Minister of the United Arab Emirates, its Minister of Defence, and ruler of the Emirate of Dubai.

Could you get any more state-owned than the last example but nope not a single word against them for what they do for racing.

Our owner has come in and done so much for East Manchester and beyond but he is never given any credit for that at all.
I agree with every word you say, every last one.

But, what is right and what is true doesn't always transpose into what is accepted (or spun). Football is not racing.
Football was born in the working class suburbs of Northern England. Racing is most certainly not a working class sport, in fact racing has a very rich Arabian history (well, the animals do, anyway). Horses for courses (if you will excuse the pun).
Arabian interest in racing is encouraged and welcome, for those into their 'istry stables! ;)
Prem Football is, these days, held to a higher degree of inspection of owner identity than ever before. As usual the red pricks kicked all that off with celebrity wanker owners doing keepie-ups in the ctr circle in the 90s!!!
Then in roles Roman at Chelsea and you have a guy "in it for the love of Chelsea and Football. Just look at how much love-money he throws at Chelsea"
An owner who is absent is automatically perceived as suspect by other fans and media. It's bullshit, but to quote 3 guys from Queen's, NY "It's like that, and that's the way it is, huh!!!"
 
The likes of Delaney and Cohen have backed themselves into a very tight corner. They can criticize the human rights record of Abu Dhabi but very soon one of their darling clubs will be taken over and not by a local car dealer. How will they squirm out of it when they have to justify new owners from the gulf or China? Probably the same way they stay silent on clubs like Liverpool going to Dubai for warm weather training
Sorry but this isn't the case because they are not concerned in the slightest in justifying anything or anybody. Their sole concern is to criticise City and anything connected with City. The truth isn't any concern of theirs either - if the truth won't provide any grounds for criticism lies will do just as well and they don't have to feel embarrassed at all about a good dose of hypocrisy. Liverpool go to Dubai for warm weather training? Arsenal get revenue from Dubai? United from a Saudi Bank, Aeroflot? Bugger that, they'll just keep quiet on that. The aim is to put the boot into City not to give a damn about human rights, fairness or any of that crap. Don't mention anything that shows the rags or dipperpool in a negative light: if they don't mention any of that, no-one else will ask any awkward questions.
 
It obviously is too much to ask.

It doesn't matter how busy the owner is, 1 visit in 12 years, no matter what, is not a good ratio.

No, that’s not right.

The main problem is security. Sheikh Mansour is a very high profile target. There would have to be extremely thorough security measures put in place for any prearranged visit. It’s a very big deal. Every indication we get is that he is emotionally as well as financially invested in City. Even his son’s birthday cake was City.

Of course, he can do it under the radar, like he did when we first played Barcelona. But again there are diplomatic issues that arise from a person very close to the head of government of one country making flying unannounced visits to another. City may be a private investment but Sheikh Mansour is not a private individual.
 
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