Return of Supporters

Corky said:
People with lots of points also attended in the 70 and 80s and get not credit, it is a level playing field, and there was not demand for away tickets 15 years ago so good luck selling on.

The problems started due to the more success city had, the higher demand, and less tickets available to points. If tickets were 100% allocated on points everyone would have a fair chance.
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Depending on age, yes.
 
Corky said:
There would be enough available to climb the ladder if all went to points. Someone on 12k could get to 50%+ one season and it would go up each time.

Any rolling system also favours those currently on higher points I would imagine too, and ballots make it impossible to plan.

If there was a system that said fair enough, you have 22k 24k 26k points, you get first dibs on the always next season but we want to give other a chance, so you can pick 14, 16, 18 PL away games respectively to give other a chance I would have no problem with that or something similar.
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Spot on. One of the main discussions we had with the club when talking about potential reform of the points system was the impact moving to a 5-year rolling system would have on people currently at the top of the ladder.

Personally I'd prefer to do that on a gradual basis, so things like dividing your current points by 100, so you always retained a slight advantage, or a system whereby we gradually transitioned to a new system so that higher points holders kept their position, but maybe by knocking off 20% a year over 5 years, or something like that.

As has been said previously, the club are interested in maximising attendance so. points would be given for actually attending league and cup games rathe4 than signing up for the schemes.

Be interested to hear any other sensible suggestions.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
You only had to go on the Ticket Exchange here or various Facebook groups to see how much of an issue it was. And the club obviously monitor this and were particularly keen to deal with it. I suspect the club also had far more data than they were prepared to divulge at the time but they told us it was a significant problem.
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I am aware that there were tickets available but staggered if people were doing this on a regular basis.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
You only had to go on the Ticket Exchange here or various Facebook groups to see how much of an issue it was. And the club obviously monitor this and were particularly keen to deal with it. I suspect the club also had far more data than they were prepared to divulge at the time but they told us it was a significant problem.
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So they must have had the data, why not deal with the individuals concerned?
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Spot on. One of the main discussions we had with the club when talking about potential reform of the points system was the impact moving to a 5-year rolling system would have on people currently at the top of the ladder.

Personally I'd prefer to do that on a gradual basis, so things like dividing your current points by 100, so you always retained a slight advantage, or a system whereby we gradually transitioned to a new system so that higher points holders kept their position, but maybe by knocking off 20% a year over 5 years, or something like that.

As has been said previously, the club are interested in maximising attendance so. points would be given for actually attending league and cup games rathe4 than signing up for the schemes.

Be interested to hear any other sensible suggestions.
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Seems to be a decent all round solution to implement a rolling system (5 years or so) and incentives for attendance at home early round cup games etc
 
Eds said:
I am aware that there were tickets available but staggered if people were doing this on a regular basis.
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I assume tickets appearing for resale could/must have come from a variety of sources season card holders, hospitality customers and supporters clubs?
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Spot on. One of the main discussions we had with the club when talking about potential reform of the points system was the impact moving to a 5-year rolling system would have on people currently at the top of the ladder.

Personally I'd prefer to do that on a gradual basis, so things like dividing your current points by 100, so you always retained a slight advantage, or a system whereby we gradually transitioned to a new system so that higher points holders kept their position, but maybe by knocking off 20% a year over 5 years, or something like that.

As has been said previously, the club are interested in maximising attendance so. points would be given for actually attending league and cup games rathe4 than signing up for the schemes.

Be interested to hear any other sensible suggestions.
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1 thing that always gets me is the games can be sold out yet not full. We get points for buying a ticket not attending a game.
They should give the points for your ticket being shipped at the turnstile not just buying a ticket.
Looking at some way of confirming that is you attending( no idea how that happens for home games) would be good too, to stop people just buying every ticket home or away and selling on the games they can’t go to so they keep there points high.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Spot on. One of the main discussions we had with the club when talking about potential reform of the points system was the impact moving to a 5-year rolling system would have on people currently at the top of the ladder.

Personally I'd prefer to do that on a gradual basis, so things like dividing your current points by 100, so you always retained a slight advantage, or a system whereby we gradually transitioned to a new system so that higher points holders kept their position, but maybe by knocking off 20% a year over 5 years, or something like that.

As has been said previously, the club are interested in maximising attendance so. points would be given for actually attending league and cup games rathe4 than signing up for the schemes.

Be interested to hear any other sensible suggestions.
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Away league games on points. Away cup games ballot.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
How do you know they don't? They're very cagey, and rightly so, about how they monitor the situation. Which they do.
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My personal view is that the removal of points to ‘stop’ reselling of tickets was a sledgehammer to crack a nut and is counter intuitive as it means those further down the chain even if they attend less desirable games can’t climb the ladder. I say this as someone with 28000 points but means even if I decide to do less games I won’t ever be caught. That’s why it’s my view that a rolling system (5 or 10 years) would be fairer to all along with reinstatement of points for attending games with maybe more points for Swansea away than Utd or Liverpool away.
Oh and they should fuck platinum off imo, for the benefit the club receives in cash, it’s one of the worst PR disasters this club has implemented
 
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Eds said:
Have I got this right. People were buying tickets to obtain points and then going to the hassle of selling them on just so that they could then go to the odd high profile game knowing they had enough points. How many people were doing this as I don't understand why people would go to the trouble of traipsing all over the country for years and then decide that they just wanted to go to a couple of away games per season. Doesn't make sense.
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I think the amount it goes/went on has been exaggerated. I don't think there were "professional" points whores who would buy the tickets without a buyer. And if there were then there's probably less than 50 out there.

Speaking personally, because friends of mine know that I go all the time I will often get people messaging me saying "Will you be using your ticket for Palace away mate?" or "Know anyone who won't be going to Leicester?" And I can't say that I've not bought a ticket for someone in the past with no intention to go - because I have, but not for the points more so because they're going down to Cardiff to see their family and their cousin would like to go to the game or something similar - just to help friends out. I've probably done this about 4 times over 15 years.
 
Its obvious now the club no longer care for supporters who have give 40, 50 years of loyalty, they make their money on TV and sponsorships and do not need gate money as much, but I still think the fans who attend the early rounds of the league Cup and champions league games midweek should be taken into account, I know some people cannot make midweek games because of work etc but not 30,000 who then can make the semi finals mid week.
 
Well I've put my ticket in that bloody Google pay thing I have had to download, it's there with a barcode on it. I just downloaded the NHS track and trace app. I just hope they both bloody work on the day.
 
GortonBlue62 said:
Great Post mate. Really resonates with me, and I suspect many other fans, at the moment. I'll probably retain my season ticket but won't be using up any holiday entitlement trekking to Sunderland midweek for a League Cup game.
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Thanks, hope you and all the other justifiably pissed off blues can get to a good place in your relationship with the club however that pans out in the future.
 
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