Players supposedly unhappy

Lancet Fluke said:
Alternatively, lots of players (if not most) do a fair bit of charity work alongside their career and it doesn't automatically mean it's going to have a negative impact. I'd think a happy and fulfilled player is likely to be more confident generally than a player who is prevented from doing things that are enormously important to them. Just got to let them live their lives (within reason) and trust them to get the balance right.
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as long as its not constantly in the media then yeah, crack on and do your bit in private, its when the media get involved sticking their oar in things tend to go tits up form wise
 
lazerblue said:
no, you know i don't mean stuff like visiting the kids at xmas in hospital, its the prolonged campaigns that seems to cause players to lose focus
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They all have things, just sometimes we don't hear about it, take Bellamy who 99% of people think is a cock, he had something going on out in Seirra Leone.

I'm not sure how much distraction it causes them, I'd say shagging about and getting caught by the wife causes more trouble with form.

See Stones and Hart for example
 
bluealf said:
They all have things, just sometimes we don't hear about it, take Bellamy who 99% of people think is a cock, he had something going on out in Seirra Leone.

I'm not sure how much distraction it causes them, I'd say shagging about and getting caught by the wife causes more trouble with form.

See Stones and Hart for example
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ok
 
FantasyIreland said:
Maybe,but im sure they were as surprised and bewildered by the team choice as the rest of us and that cant have failed to have an impact.
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After 5 years being under Pep they 1) Shouldn't be surprised and 2) Know he's won them 10x more games than he's lost.

He's actually been an incredibly generous lightning rod for the players over the years. Pep didn't cause Fernandinho to slip over in his box, or stop anyone closing down Oxlade-Chamberlain, but all people talk about is a frankly irrelevant decision to play Gundogan. Pep didn't make Laporte gift Son 2 goals in the first 20 minutes of the Spurs game or miss a penalty, and yet all people talk about is him not risking a half-fit KDB. Pep didn't make Laporte fuck up against Lyon, or miss tap ins.

And he's never blamed them, he's happily let the peanut gallery and the tabloid writers and the talking heads blame him entirely.


Perhaps the biggest problem with Pep making changes in big games is that it's given some players an easy excuse to not turn up, and they've taken full advantage of it over the years.

If any of them do question him, we need to thank the for their service and get rid of them asap, because the one thing that guarantees a tactical plan not working is the players not committing to it 100%.

However, I suspect the players have a better memory than some fans, and the Premier League title they won thanks to Pep's tweaks and unusual selections is probably still dominant in the memory.
 
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domalino said:
However, I suspect the players have a better memory than some fans, and the Premier League title they won thanks to Pep's tweaks and unusual selections is probably still dominant in the memory.
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And you'd have a point if we'd won the league predominantly without a defensive midfielder on the park.
 
FantasyIreland said:
And you'd have a point if we'd won the league predominantly without a defensive midfielder on the park.
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No, anyone with an IQ above single digits knows this Premier League was Pep's. Its the one he won us by being the best manager in the country. Coming up with a new system on the fly, changing the style of play completely, killing the press in the first 4 months of the season to save energy and bringing it back slowly over the new year.

The players know that, they will know that with any other manager they don't win the league this season and that's why he gets to decide what XI he puts out in any game of the season.

If they are unhappy with being the most successful club in the country, they can leave and we will carry on winning bucketful of trophies without them.
 
domalino said:
No, anyone with an IQ above single digits knows this Premier League was Pep's. Its the one he won us by being the best manager in the country. Coming up with a new system on the fly, changing the style of play completely, killing the press in the first 4 months of the season to save energy and bringing it back slowly over the new year.

The players know that, they will know that with any other manager they don't win the league this season and that's why he gets to decide what XI he puts out in any game of the season.

If they are unhappy with being the most successful club in the country, they can leave and we will carry on winning bucketful of trophies without them.
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That's a nice happy clapping take on it,nice one.
 
FantasyIreland said:
That's a nice happy clapping take on it,nice one.
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And yours is another attempt to whine incessantly about the manager without having the balls to say you want him out.

Peps not going to stop doing things the way that's made him the second most successful manager of all time because you whine about it.

Learn to accept it, you'll be much happier.
 
domalino said:
After 5 years being under Pep they 1) Shouldn't be surprised and 2) Know he's won them 10x more games than he's lost.

He's actually been an incredibly generous lightning rod for the players over the years. Pep didn't cause Fernandinho to slip over in his box, or stop anyone closing down Oxlade-Chamberlain, but all people talk about is a frankly irrelevant decision to play Gundogan. Pep didn't make Laporte gift Son 2 goals in the first 20 minutes of the Spurs game or miss a penalty, and yet all people talk about is him not risking a half-fit KDB. Pep didn't make Laporte fuck up against Lyon, or miss tap ins.

And he's never blamed them, he's happily let the peanut gallery and the tabloid writers and the talking heads blame him entirely.


Perhaps the biggest problem with Pep making changes in big games is that it's given some players an easy excuse to not turn up, and they've taken full advantage of it over the years.

If any of them do question him, we need to thank the for their service and get rid of them asap, because the one thing that guarantees a tactical plan not working is the players not committing to it 100%.

However, I suspect the players have a better memory than some fans, and the Premier League title they won thanks to Pep's tweaks and unusual selections is probably still dominant in the memory.
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Completely agree.

I don't even think the players were bothered by Pep's team selection for the final but maybe we will eventually hear otherwise. It certainly wasn't a good excuse to perform so badly.
 
domalino said:
And yours is another attempt to whine incessantly about the manager without having the balls to say you want him out.

Peps not going to stop doing things the way that's made him the second most successful manager of all time because you whine about it.

Learn to accept it, you'll be much happier.
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If i wanted Pep out i would say so.

I don't follow the herd in life or an internet forum.As for balls....it speaks volumes about the size of yours that you continue to throw insults and be the forums biggest gobshite from the safety of your living room.

Your continual need to twist comment and put words in the mouths of others is sad as fuck.

Pep has been wonderful for this club,hopefully he remains for many a season......but that does not make him immune from fault or undeserving of criticism,and as long as he makes such mistakes he will always be the second most successful manager of all time.

You happy clapping eunuchs are just as entitled to your opinions though.
 
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domalino said:
No, anyone with an IQ above single digits knows this Premier League was Pep's. Its the one he won us by being the best manager in the country. Coming up with a new system on the fly, changing the style of play completely, killing the press in the first 4 months of the season to save energy and bringing it back slowly over the new year.

The players know that, they will know that with any other manager they don't win the league this season and that's why he gets to decide what XI he puts out in any game of the season.

If they are unhappy with being the most successful club in the country, they can leave and we will carry on winning bucketful of trophies without them.
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I’m sorry but a lot of those players desperately wanted to win it, and the manager did not put them in the best position to do it even though he could have, and even though he’d firmly established what that best chance would look like...which they had worked incredibly hard themselves to establish and prove as well, together with him.

So then to simply discard the validity of that work? It was disrespectful of him to do what he did. It belittled and undermined the players. It was wrong.
 
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