City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

M18CTID said:
I thought he'd shut the fuck up after he got that gig at UEFA - after all, Ceferin said in an interview a couple of years ago that he talks way too much - but it seems he can say whatever he wants and never be held accountable for it.
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How can UEFA be an independent regulator when people who are part of the organisation like Tebas continue to make slanderous comments about one of its members. Tebas also has close links to Real Madrid who are trying to destroy UEFA. Even by their usual standards this is bizarre for UEFA.
 
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bobbyowenquiff said:
How can UEFA be an independent regulator when people who are part of the organisation like Tebas continue to make slanderous comments about one of its members. Tebas also has close linke to Real Madrid who are trying to destroy UEFA. Even by their usual standards this is bizarre for UEFA.
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A big issue. Uefa has a vested interest in the financials of its own comps and will protect them. So they have manipulated the rules time and time again to keep the big boys onside.
Under EU laws there must be recourse to an external independent body for final appeal. Uefa is subject to Swiss law and I guess that has similar provisions.
My own view is that Uefa should become a regulator only and separate competitons by appointing an independent body to manage them including the rules, tv contracts etc. The Bein sports bid huge amounts for tv rights and PSG declared innocent farce (Bein and PSG share their most senior exec) is the best example.
Pigs might fly.
 
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KS55 said:
A big issue. Uefa has a vested interest in the financials of its own comps and will protect them. So they have manipulated the rules time and time again to keep the big boys onside.
Under EU laws there must be recourse to an external independent body for final appeal. Uefa is subject to Swiss law and I guess that has similar provisions.
My own view is that Uefa should become a regulator only and separate competitons by appointing an independent body to manage them including the rules, tv contracts etc. The Bein sports bid huge amounts for tv rights and PSG declared innocent farce (Bein and PSG share their most senior exec) is the best example.
Pigs might fly.
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Agree 100 per cent that UEFA can only be an independent regulator. At the moment it is a commercial rival with the clubs it is supposed to regulate. It makes me wonder if perhaps Real Madrid and Barca have a decent legal case against UEFA in their ESL battle. Those clubs have been really bullish in sticking to their guns and so far UEFA have backed down. If UEFA lose this ESL legal battle then it would probably finish them off. There is no end to the shit show that is European football governance.
 
Centurions said:
Part of the same chambers as Monica Carss-Frisk too although whether that means anything or not I'm not sure.
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Carss-Frisk did the Bennell investigation, yes?

Also Lord Pannick is in the chambers - it's a top barrister firm, so not terribly significant.

I think the 2nd chamber drew 3 of the 5, so Flint may not have been involved. The chambers appear to have been renamed from that listing.

From what I remember, the 2nd chamber weren't offered any evidence to refute the charges made, so the 2nd chamber may have had no choice but to pass on the charges from the 1st chamber (which was the one Leterme was head of, I think).
 
MillionMilesAway said:
Carss-Frisk did the Bennell investigation, yes?

Also Lord Pannick is in the chambers - it's a top barrister firm, so not terribly significant.

I think the 2nd chamber drew 3 of the 5, so Flint may not have been involved. The chambers appear to have been renamed from that listing.

From what I remember, the 2nd chamber weren't offered any evidence to refute the charges made, so the 2nd chamber may have had no choice but to pass on the charges from the 1st chamber (which was the one Leterme was head of, I think).
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I was thinking Carss-Frisk represented us at CAS, I'd forgotten Lord Pannick.
 
KS55 said:
A big issue. Uefa has a vested interest in the financials of its own comps and will protect them. So they have manipulated the rules time and time again to keep the big boys onside.
Under EU laws there must be recourse to an external independent body for final appeal. Uefa is subject to Swiss law and I guess that has similar provisions.
My own view is that Uefa should become a regulator only and separate competitons by appointing an independent body to manage them including the rules, tv contracts etc. The Bein sports bid huge amounts for tv rights and PSG declared innocent farce (Bein and PSG share their most senior exec) is the best example.
Pigs might fly.
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PSG went to CAS when UEFA tried to move goal posts.

It wasn't a case just dropped.
 
Parisian said:
PSG went to CAS when UEFA tried to move goal posts.

It wasn't a case just dropped.
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I've seen you a few times correcting posters, if it's about city then it's media/conspiracy bullshit, but about psg it must be true,we treat psg like other fans treat us, then complain
 
Sir peace frog said:
I've seen you a few times correcting posters, if it's about city then it's media/conspiracy bullshit, but about psg it must be true,we treat psg like other fans treat us, then complain
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I don't blame City fans for that though. It is the nature of the fans.

I laugh when Chelsea fans parade as righteous calling City and PSG oil clubs when they had not won more trophies than those clubs before oil conman Abramovitch came in.

It is what it is.
 
Parisian said:
I don't blame City fans for that though. It is the nature of the fans.

I laugh when Chelsea fans parade as righteous calling City and PSG oil clubs when they had not won more trophies than those clubs before oil conman Abramovitch came in.

It is what it is.
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But we as fans should know better
 
Parisian said:
I don't blame City fans for that though. It is the nature of the fans.

I laugh when Chelsea fans parade as righteous calling City and PSG oil clubs when they had not won more trophies than those clubs before oil conman Abramovitch came in.

It is what it is.
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Partisan. The Chelsea owners story is a very interesting one and perhaps its fair to say that the phrase fit and proper and Roman Abravovich are odd bedfellows. I read a while back that early days he made a fortune from selling knocked off diesel to the army and it seems to be well reported that his big win was from Russia’s controversial loans-for-shares programme. When Yeltsin privatised Sibneft, he and his partner Berezovsky bought out the business for $100m, despite its market value of $600m.

So nothing to see really. A football lover brought up in Siberia as a Chelsea fan with nowt but the fans interests at heart.

Football ownership really is a murky pit.
 
Sir peace frog said:
I've seen you a few times correcting posters, if it's about city then it's media/conspiracy bullshit, but about psg it must be true,we treat psg like other fans treat us, then complain
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I'm sure some are like that but some are just annoyed that the way City get lumped with PSG and want to separate City from that because it's unfair that City fans should be asked to defend/justify what's gone on at another club.

Qatar do have a seat in UEFA and their beIN contracts across Europe, to the CL itself, is a legitimate point to raise with the influence they have, in comparison to anyone or anything connected to the UAE at City. Leterme, being the lead investigator(having worked with the Qataris while in office in Belgium)and him being the one who dropped the ball, that "allowed them to get off on a technicality", which was then applied to City by our media, is another source of annoyance. As is, City being brought into conversations about the Neymar and Mbappé type fees and inflating the transfer market in general.

That said, we all said FFP was a massive scam under a guise, even before a case was brought against City and we still do. We would like City to have a seat at UEFA because it's about time we had their ear/a voice too. We also know the history clubs were inflating the market at pretty much the same rate, long before PSG or City got money, the prices rose with growth of the game(which foreign owners helped with) not just because of foreign owners. The way the press switch out PSG's name with City's is all on the press, not PSG. Also, PSG's owners most likely wanting rid of City, shouldn't reflect too much on PSG and it's fans themselves because we'd call others out for similar, I guess. I suppose quite a few should be a little more balanced and try to see the things if the shoe were on the other foot more but it is a little more nuanced than what you boiled it down to.
 
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Parisian said:
PSG went to CAS when UEFA tried to move goal posts.

It wasn't a case just dropped.
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Strange i thought the investigator went in favour of PSG, the same bloke that investigated City, and that it was UEFA who went to CAS but with a very tight time scale ran out of time.
 
salfordbluetrue said:
Strange i thought the investigator went in favour of PSG, the same bloke that investigated City, and that it was UEFA who went to CAS but with a very tight time scale ran out of time.
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I think it went:
First chamber said 'no action' (13 June)
Chairman of the whole CFCB ordered a review (22 June)
Second chamber ordered further review by first chamber (19 Sept)
PSG appealed as the 19 Sept order was outside the 10-day allowed limit for review.
CAS said 'obviously so, 19 Sept order is annulled'


I think @Parisian is usually accurate on PSG stuff.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
I think it went:
First chamber said 'no action' (13 June)
Chairman of the whole CFCB ordered a review (22 June)
Second chamber ordered further review by first chamber (19 Sept)
PSG appealed as the 19 Sept order was outside the 10-day allowed limit for review.
CAS said 'obviously so, 19 Sept order is annulled'


I think @Parisian is usually accurate on PSG stuff.
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Yeah did not know UEFA ordered a review knowing that it was already outside the time limit, bit bizarre, i know that they reviewed the investigator, so that was even more bizarre that he got us
 
UEFA made a mess with FFP and now they realize it. For years they tried to punish PSG and City while their main enemies Barcelona and Madrid were planning a backstabbing.

FFP allowed the big clubs to act like an Cartel and gain supremacy against lower Team Clubs. Without FFP more big clubs would emerge and the discussion about a Super League wouldn't even be there.

UEFA deserves this now
 
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