Italy v England | Euro 2020 Final

[kippaxwarrior]

Listening to the radio this morning, the narrative they're pushing is that its all Sterling's fault

Not that clueless clown Southgate, or the two rags who missed their pens... its Sterling's fault for not taking one

That didn't take long

Ridiculous. And if he did step up and take one when it wasn't his turn the media would be saying it was disrespectful to Southgate and it would be undermining him

 

[metalblue]

Not for the better? Henderson for Rice is a nothing sub. Maybe Rice was going to far forward who knows

Yes for the better, we got a foothold in the game after going to a back 4, Italians were all over us with the back 5. It took him a long time to change it mind

 

[urban genie]

Too Soon?

 

[metalblue]

Too Soon?


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never too soon for that. Brilliant

 

[Bill Walker]

We stung Italy with an early goal and they looked punch-drunk for the entire first half.

I thought they dominated for the last twenty five minutes of the first half.

 

[meltonblue]

Have just seen the footgage of the fighting in the concourse at Wembley, Italians being dragged around and kicked in the head.

Not sure whether it was before during or after the game, or whether the Italians were doing the same elsewhere, but this, along with the racism, means I'm washing my hands of the national team and national football.

Good luck to them as players and as a team, they've done well to get to a final but no way I want to be a part of that fan base. Whether it's alcohol, nationalism or more, I don't care. City and just city for me.

If it’s on Twitter, be wary of how people are captioning the videos. The main one isn’t Italians, it’s England fans breaking through the gates and other England fans already in the stadium fighting them to try as get them out.

The guy getting kicked gets thrown out by the stewards.

 

[Cityfan1977]

Was the penalty Lineup designed to make hero's of a scum or Arse player ?

I was thinking the same it sounds strange just saying it but....

 

[Cityfan1977]

It was a shambles of a game. After taking the lead we should have gone for the jugular before they settled. But waistcoat decided to park the bus. As for the penalties surely the seasoned pros should have taken control. Henderson couldn't get off the field quickly enough and Raheem could have been a hero putting all the negative press behind him but bottled it

Why do you think that was up to the players. Surely its Southgate who is in charge of who takes the pens

 

[Bill Walker]

Seriously poor game management from Boregate.
Every one, even @Barcon s cat could see Italy were going to equalize.
Why the fuck did he do nothing. Mount was giving the ball away time and time again.
And why not Kyle for a pen, or Shaw ?
Kyle would've ripped a hole in the net.
Absolute fucking gash.

England have to scrap that shit house song now ffs

 

[red 2 hats]

Why do you think that was up to the players. Surely its Southgate who is in charge of who takes the pens

It was the waistcoat who chose the penalty takers, he said himself, it wasn't Raz hiding, it was numbnuts call.

 

[red 2 hats]

Seriously poor game management from Boregate.
Every one, even @Barcon s cat could see Italy were going to equalize.
Why the fuck did he do nothing. Mount was giving the ball away time and time again.
And why not Kyle for a pen, or Shaw ?
Kyle would've ripped a hole in the net.
Absolute fucking gash.

England have to scrap that shit house song now ffs

He'd already taken Kyle off for one of his penalty taking specialist's, that went well.

 

[stan bowles]

Before the tournament I didn't think England would get past the semis but as things developed and with the benefit of an easy group and subsequent favourable draws, winning became a more and more realistic possible achievement. I would say England played well in only 2 games - Germany and Ukraine. They were merely efficient in the others - except the drab draw v Scotland - based around a very solid defence and set up.
Did Southgate get the best out of his squad - probably not. Did he show a willingness to change and adapt his tactics and players during games ? Not really. He played a limited, restrictive game based to reduce mistakes and opposition chances to a minimum.
Yesterday, after half time - when being dominated in midfield, the obvious call seemed to be to bring Grealish on. A player who can get on the ball, carry it forward and link with the forwards in areas that could hurt the Italians. He should have been on a lot earlier.
Penalties are always a lottery - could have gone either way. Pickford did well and overall had a much better tournament than I was expecting.
I don't imagine Southgate will do much different in the next World Cup. We have a group of very talented players but I I don't think we have a good enough manager.
England did well to reach the final but having got there, blew the chance to lift the trophy. Chances like that come along very rarely.

 

[hilts]

People slagging off Southgate, so presumably you want him sacked before the world cup and replaced with......?

Someone who plays football and passes the medical, how they missed waistcoat lacked a spine I don’t know. Come to think of it maybe that’s what the waistcoat is for.

 

[Mancity1980]

England team that won the world cup:

• Banks
• Cohen
• Charlton
• Moore
• Wilson
• Stiles
• Ball
• Charlton
• Peters
• Hunt
• Hurst

Not two holding midfielders, not five at the back, not the centre forward playing deep lying.

Moore was a great captain, a great defender and was good bringing the ball out of defence. Only Stiles was in the team as a midfield enforcer. Ball, Charlton, Peters, Hunt and Hurst were all intent on attacking the opposition.

Compare that with Mr. Waistcoats side, only Sterling attacking regularly. Mount and Kane playing as midfieders. The rest of the team - Pickford, Walker, Maguire, Stones, Shaw, Trippier, Phillips, Rice were all there to defend.

Given a golden opportunity to win something on home soil and the manager wimps out and is not prepared to unleash the attacking talent at his disposal. Did he realistically think getting all his team camped in their own half for the bulk of the game was going to achieve anything or actually provide any entertainment.

The best team won and deservedly so.

Whilst I agree with your last sentence I must take issue with your comparison with 1966. Now I am not old enough to remember it and I don’t know if you are but that World Cup winning team was defensive with some great attacking talent. Before the final the games were low scoring, there was no 4 nils. I have also read a bit about that campaign and English football was normally played with 2 wingers which Ramsey didn’t use at all and also our key midfielder, Charlton, was told to mark Beckenbauer for the final rather than attack.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

It was the waistcoat who chose the penalty takers, he said himself, it wasn't Raz hiding, it was numbnuts call.

correct and also his decision to give the crucial pressure fifth penalty to the most inexperienced young player in the team who doesn’t take penalties For his club.

terrible decision

 

[hilts]

He’s just done what no England manager has done in 5 decades. He deserves the chance to go one better.

Nah loads of England managers have lost games at tournaments, not many have been quite that negative in doing so.

 

[Magicpole]

Once Italy turned up they were in charge. You nearly got away with it when it went to penalties, but it wasn't to be. Italy deserved it. To be honest, I thought you were piss poor, apart from the opening 20 minutes. You never went for it, tried to hold onto the lead and paid the price. Awful penalties where your guys shat it, but you didn't deserve it.

I want to start a national petition that demands that thick, inarticulate, bumbling **** Ferdinfanny never gets on a football show again. He is such an embarrassment.


Well done Italy..not at your best but still too good.


Let the Scapegoating begin.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Someone who plays football and passes the medical, how they missed waistcoat lacked a spine I don’t know. Come to think of it maybe that’s what the waistcoat is for.

I think four or five people have responded to this. Only one has come up with an actual name. Everyone else has come up with some fictional ideal manager that only exists in their imagination. So good luck with that, I guess.

 

[Craig]

Listening to the radio this morning, the narrative they're pushing is that its all Sterling's fault

Not that clueless clown Southgate, or the two rags who missed their pens... its Sterling's fault for not taking one

That didn't take long

Not a fan of Sterling’s myself but he was England’s best player during the tournament. Even Sterling’s biggest fan wouldn’t be confident in him taking a penalty. Suppose they need something to talk about but a player who’s poor at penalties not taking one really shouldn’t be a debate today.

I can’t stand boregate as a manager but one thing I bet he was thorough on was practising pens. Rashford is clearly a decent penalty taker but shit happens.

 

[hilts]

I think four or five people have responded to this. Only one has come up with an actual name. Everyone else has come up with some fictional ideal manager that only exists in their imagination. So good luck with that, I guess.

Off the top of my head Graham Potter would have used our more technical players and played much better football.