Roberto Mancini

youngbob said:
As someone else said, the right man at the right time. I will always love him, despite what happened at the end, and I will always be happy when he does well. I would rather England had won the game last night but it felt good seeing Roberto under the Wembley arch, smiling with tears in his eyes and with a trophy in hand once more. He's back on the map after a few years in the wilderness and I wish him all the best.
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Bluesince88 said:
You asked the questions with the tone that Mancini could of done what Peps done, otherwise it wouldn’t be mentioned. Could any manager have done what Mancini done with his huge backing? Mancini lost a cup final to fucking Wigan, it shows the many variables in winning a knock out competition, like our failings in the champions league, no manager performed as badly as Mancini in that competition though. If doing what Peps done for us was so easy I’m insure why no manager of any other team has done it before.
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Yeh - on the day it was leaked we had sorted his replacement out

That debacle stands squarely at the door of the club and the players................
 
Bluesince88 said:
You asked the questions with the tone that Mancini could of done what Peps done, otherwise it wouldn’t be mentioned. Could any manager have done what Mancini done with his huge backing? Mancini lost a cup final to fucking Wigan, it shows the many variables in winning a knock out competition, like our failings in the champions league, no manager performed as badly as Mancini in that competition though. If doing what Peps done for us was so easy I’m insure why no manager of any other team has done it before.
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Ha, no I asked the question. You clearly struggle to have an unbiased debate where those 2 are concerned. I love both so I’m quite content. Circumstances change regarding Europe though. For example look how shite most major nations are currently compared to 10 years ago. Look how shite the traditional top European sides are and have been for a few years Bayern aside.
 
Bluesince88 said:
You asked the questions with the tone that Mancini could of done what Peps done, otherwise it wouldn’t be mentioned. Could any manager have done what Mancini done with his huge backing? Mancini lost a cup final to fucking Wigan, it shows the many variables in winning a knock out competition, like our failings in the champions league, no manager performed as badly as Mancini in that competition though. If doing what Peps done for us was so easy I’m insure why no manager of any other team has done it before.
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Also glad Pep wouldn’t lose an FA Cup match to fucking Wigan
 
Bluesince88 said:
You think the man who couldn’t get out of the group stages would have won it? Bold that. You have now downplayed all peps achievements that anyone can do what he’s done with his backing. Makes me laugh that like Mancini wasnt backed massively. Spent a fucking bomb but I wouldn’t be stupid enough to say any manager could have done what he done with that backing.
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Get over yourself, have a good look at the groups we ended up in when Roberto was in charge.
 
Bluesince88 said:
You asked the questions with the tone that Mancini could of done what Peps done, otherwise it wouldn’t be mentioned. Could any manager have done what Mancini done with his huge backing? Mancini lost a cup final to fucking Wigan, it shows the many variables in winning a knock out competition, like our failings in the champions league, no manager performed as badly as Mancini in that competition though. If doing what Peps done for us was so easy I’m insure why no manager of any other team has done it before.
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No its you that read something into a comment, which frankly wasn't there to be read.
 
Craig said:
Also glad Pep wouldn’t lose an FA Cup match to fucking Wigan
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As you clearly misread, it was to show how winning a cup competition isn’t as easy as you’re making out with Pep and the champions league. Losing that game wasn’t a knock against Mancini, many circumstances why we lost it but it was to address a point. If it’s a debate then fair enough, I answered your question that Mancini wouldn’t have won what Peps won or added a champions league. The main fact being no manager ever has done what Peps done so I’m really surprised if anyone thinks someone else could so easily. Seems you’re just a question master without any input or opinion then. Fair enough.


VOOMER said:
No its you that read something into a comment, which frankly wasn't there to be read.
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Why would you ask “do you not think Mancini would have won what Peps won or the champions league” if you’re not thinking it yourself?
 
VOOMER said:
Get over yourself, have a good look at the groups we ended up in when Roberto was in charge.
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As champions of England to then not win a single group game, some would call that a bit of a failure. I’m not here to bash Mancini, some are deluded though thinking he’d win the CL which is madness considering his record in it.
 
kaz7 said:
Well done bobs ,i was emotional seeing his emotion , italy went through a nightmare , i am really happy for them
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Sad to see he's gone Steve Bruce and let himself go.....

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Bluesince88 said:
As you clearly misread, it was to show how winning a cup competition isn’t as easy as you’re making out with Pep and the champions league. Losing that game wasn’t a knock against Mancini, many circumstances why we lost it but it was to address a point. If it’s a debate then fair enough, I answered your question that Mancini wouldn’t have won what Peps won or added a champions league. The main fact being no manager ever has done what Peps done so I’m really surprised if anyone thinks someone else could so easily. Seems you’re just a question master without any input or opinion then. Fair enough.



Why would you ask “do you not think Mancini would have won what Peps won or the champions league” if you’re not thinking it yourself?
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I agree with your view on cups but Europe has clearly been a big weakness for Pep for a number of years. Obviously he did well to win it twice with his amazing Barca side but he probably had the best team in Europe for years at Bayern and then continued failure with City against inferior sides.

Like you say cups are tough to win and you can be very unlucky like in the home game against Spurs. There comes a point though when the excuses for failure to win it start to run out.
 
Craig said:
Also glad Pep wouldn’t lose an FA Cup match to fucking Wigan
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Assuming you're being ironic and haven't forgotten the 5th round match in Feb 2018, one interesting thing is that out of Stuart Pearce, Roberto Mancini, Manuel Pellegrini and Pep Guardiola, only Pearce managed City to an FA Cup win against Wigan.
 
Bluesince88 said:
You think the man who couldn’t get out of the group stages would have won it? Bold that. You have now downplayed all peps achievements that anyone can do what he’s done with his backing. Makes me laugh that like Mancini wasnt backed massively. Spent a fucking bomb but I wouldn’t be stupid enough to say any manager could have done what he done with that backing.
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Don't know why people feel the need to compare the two in fairness. I liked the mancini era most because success was new. Never get that excitement back again.Also the shenanigans were pretty interesting.
Not Peps fault he wasn't the first mind. Both managers did very well domestically under different circumstances.

In terms of Europe neither won any silverware so they both under achieved on that front. Is it worth debating how far each got, the opposition in groups, the backing etc..

Probably not.
 
Bobby Manc will always have a special place in the Hearts of older Blues.

That first title was really special.

We had suffered so much in the preceding years. We saw that fucking banner ripped down, and bummed them 6-1 on their own patch. That Bobby Manc cheesy grin at the Swamp. He was as ecstatic as us. Bbbby got us.

Don't get me wrong i love Pep, and what he has achieved for us.

For me though Bobby will always have a special place in my Heart.

That Cup Final against Wigan was the result of some players downing Tools. Making sure Bobby Manc got the sack.

To this day i feel Joe Hart could have done better with that Goal.
 
I think Mancini had the hardest job of all our managers since we moved to The Etihad. He had some really tricky players to manage and he showed great strength of character himself by managing some difficult situations through to successful conclusions. He laid the foundations for others to build on that have made our club what it is today. His passion was there for all to see last night and he’s made his mark as Italy’s manager in no uncertain terms.
 
SidJames said:
Bobby Manc will always have a special place in the Hearts of older Blues.

That first title was really special.

We had suffered so much in the preceding years. We saw that fucking banner ripped down, and bummed them 6-1 on their own patch. That Bobby Manc cheesy grin at the Swamp. He was as ecstatic as us. Bbbby got us.

Don't get me wrong i love Pep, and what he has achieved for us.

For me though Bobby will always have a special place in my Heart.

That Cup Final against Wigan was the result of some players downing Tools. Making sure Bobby Manc got the sack.

To this day i feel Joe Hart could have done better with that Goal.
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Which was a Mancini mistake, he played pants every round until the final and put Hart back in. Pants probably saves that goal just by being taller. You are right though, he deserves the love he gets.
 
Rascal said:
Me too, I was happy to see the back of him. He is arrogant and mard arses if he doesn't get his own way.

He mas made Italy a functional if unexceptional team and was fortunate that his functional and unexceptional team happened to be in a poor quality tournament when other countries teams were in transition.
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We needed a manager who was single-minded, ruthless and didn't mind treading on a few toes - Mancini fitted that bill and it was necessary to change the culture at the club which was still mired in decades of failure even 15 months after the ADUG takeover.

Throw in the various iconic moments under his management and it baffles me that some City fans still have an axe to grind with him. I'm delighted he's doing so well with Italy, he's completely transformed them from a bunch of failures to European champions.
 
Just a thought but those oldies in the italian team are big characters but let bobby lead them, he has also been much calmer in the tournement , he is also playing out from the back , sort of so he has settled down, city was a whole shit load of pressure
 
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