I agree with you, but I do sort of see why he was reticent on calling out Brexit. However, with the Dawn Butler incident last week, he has an opportunity for a good line of attack along the lines of "Johnson lied to us about Brexit". Lay the blame at his door without shitting on the idea of Brexit and annoying all the people who voted for it.
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I agree with you, but I do sort of see why he was reticent on calling out Brexit. However, with the Dawn Butler incident last week, he has an opportunity for a good line of attack along the lines of "Johnson lied to us about Brexit". Lay the blame at his door without shitting on the idea of Brexit and annoying all the people who voted for it.
Saddleworth2
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Yes you are right. Shift any blame from those that voted for it as they were lied to. It is true and would work better than suddenly lurching to full on support of rejoining.
Well, it's not just Starmer. Brexit is still toxic, and it's chicken and egg.
Do you tell people who voted for it they were wrong when 80% of those voted Leave would probably do so again (the 33% who would happily wreck the economy in favour of taking back control)? Not enough to mean the vote would still be Leave, but enough to make a rejoin vote hard to win, and enough to be a vote-losing issue in the Brexity Labour areas, without getting a lot more votes in the constituencies where most Labour voters voted Remain.
Or - three years before a GE - do you hope the damage of Brexit becomes undeniable to most Leave voters? Or at least till people twig that the damage from leaving the EU is not the fault of the EU, that NI and the farming and fishing and shortages and inflation are down to the Tories?
bluethrunthru
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In the spirit of just talking to ourselves because the Bwrecksit * people have gone, I did enjoy this by Fintan O'Toole.
* Is that original or have I heard it before?
Why is the Northern Ireland protocol still an issue? Actions have consequences | Fintan O'Toole
Someone tell Boris Johnson: you can’t bake your ‘oven-ready deal’ and then remove a key ingredient (even if it’s a sausage), says Irish Times columnist Fintan O’Toolewww.theguardian.com
yeah that was a well written article that laid out the issues - sadly none of those who buy into Brexit would go anywhere near it for fear they may learn something
west didsblue
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In spite of there only being two possibilities, Cummings has already admitted that they gambled on a third. Namely that the EU will effectively throw RoI out of the SM and CU to save the GFA when we don't implement the North Sea border in line with the signed agreement. Absolute insanity and doomed to failure and chaos.
bluethrunthru
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exceptionalist and entitled nonsense - "Johnny Foreigner will do what we demand because of who we are and what we represent"
mancity2012_eamo
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Unfortunately we are still intrinsically linked in some way to every detrimental decision you lot make regarding these islands, not least because of the GFA which we are determined to uphold and hopefully enough sane people up north are too. As anyone who reads any of my contributions in the political threads would know, I am primarily of the opinion that we are where we are, regarding the north.
I’m of the generation that knew what we were voting on in the GFA, and what we were sacrificing in voting yes. We amended our constitution accordingly.
So as much as we would have difficulty convincing a DUP voter or any other persuasion of loyalist that they are turkeys voting for Christmas at times and they have a very narrow perspective on what may actually be best for them,
then similarly, you can see why down south it can be very difficult to get past the distrust of the British Government. Their constant duplicitous in dealings with Ireland and Northern Ireland, I should add.
It has been a constant problem particularly in dealing with a Tory government.
I don’t think Ireland is unique in that feeling either. There are many other ex-colonies that can’t shake the abused and exploited past from memory when you get the likes of what is happening now in your country.
East Level 2
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It will take many years, and possibly many negative incidents (shortages etc) before many of those duped by Johnson, Farage, Gove, Francois and rest of the clowns, will be willing to admit they believed the lies.
You may have hit on a truth there.
The Tories are the colonists and we are all the colonised, who should be grateful for all the munifence of the great mother.
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bluethrunthru
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This is what got them elected - 8 months later it wasn't a good deal and they want to renegotiate - the EU should tell us to fuck off - Johnson has trashed the UK's reputation on the international stage - why should any other country negotiate with and trust us as long as these are in power. If I were the EU I'd leave them alone pointing out its their doing and wait until the UK installs a government that is credible
www.theguardian.com
UK rejects EU’s Northern Ireland moves, saying Brexit deal must be renegotiated
Downing Street says Brussels overtures are insufficient and ‘comprehensive’ solutions needed
www.theguardian.com
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They negotiate knowing this which leads to our farmers not being able to compete. Same deal that puts the NI protocol in full view as we won’t confirm animal protocols.This is what got them elected - 8 months later it wasn't a good deal and they want to renegotiate - the EU should tell us to fuck off - Johnson has trashed the UK's reputation on the international stage - why should any other country negotiate with and trust us as long as these are in power. If I were the EU I'd leave them alone pointing out its their doing and wait until the UK installs a government that is credible
UK rejects EU’s Northern Ireland moves, saying Brexit deal must be renegotiated
Downing Street says Brussels overtures are insufficient and ‘comprehensive’ solutions needed
Ifwecouldjust.......
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bluethrunthru
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The Express gone full mental
www.express.co.uk
EU's plan to 'wipe UK off the map' and merge England and France
THE EU was accused of trying to "wipe the UK off the map" when a plan to merge parts of England and France into a new region with its own flag was exposed by Tory ministers before Brexit.
www.express.co.uk
bluethrunthru
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who's gonna tell the Express we began buying vaccines whilst we were still an EU member state and that we no longer lead the way on vaccine numbers in Europe
www.express.co.uk
EU's shambles makes AstraZeneca look at vaccine future
THE European Union's shambolic handling of the Covid pandemic is forcing AstraZeneca to seriously consider its future in vaccines, in another move that goes a long way to vindicating Brexit.
www.express.co.uk
MillionMilesAway
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Brilliant, a 22 mile bridge high enough to let cargo ships pass at high tide.The Express gone full mental
EU's plan to 'wipe UK off the map' and merge England and France
THE EU was accused of trying to "wipe the UK off the map" when a plan to merge parts of England and France into a new region with its own flag was exposed by Tory ministers before Brexit.
Johnson does like his bridges doesn't he - Thames, Scotland-N Ireland, England-France.
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bluethrunthru
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He likes suggesting them as a distraction to what is really happening - nothing gets built? Remember the roundabout under the Isle of Man? As soon as it was no longer needed as a distraction nobody spoke about it any more.
Won't get called out on it though. Boils my piss no one ever (apart from Dawn Butler) seems to properly call him out on his bullshit, bridge-related or other.
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Everyone’s too busy watching him fuck about with an umbrella.