CAS judgement: UEFA ban overturned, City exonerated (report out p603)

So the other day I listened to BillyShears and projectriver on a podcast discuss the recent PL investigation news.


Then, this

www.dailymail.co.uk

Manchester City's legal fight with Premier League could run for years

The Premier League's ongoing legal battle with Manchester City over alleged breaches of League rules could 'move glacially on for many more years'.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

Has he lifted this off of the podcast or am I going mad? Apologies if I'm miles off here.

Edit: It appears the quotes came directly from Stefan and I was wrong. It sounded exactly like what I heard on the podcast but I suppose you can always say the same thing again!


Hi Nick!
 
mccity said:
So the other day I listened to @BillyShears and @projectriver on a podcast discuss the recent PL investigation news.


Then, this

www.dailymail.co.uk

Manchester City's legal fight with Premier League could run for years

The Premier League's ongoing legal battle with Manchester City over alleged breaches of League rules could 'move glacially on for many more years'.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

Has he lifted this off of the podcast or am I going mad? Apologies if I'm miles off here.
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He’s directly quoting Stefan, so I presume so.
 
mccity said:
Is that not a bit of a sly move? Especially considering he's not credited the source of the quotes in this case?

Or am I being precious?
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Just checked, and think Harris may have spoken directly to Stefan (judging by his Twitter) so don’t think it was actually lifted from the podcast.
 
Ric said:
Just checked, and think Harris may have spoken directly to Stefan (judging by his Twitter) so don’t think it was actually lifted from the podcast.
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In which case, ignore my earlier post. I apologise to Nick I guess.
 
mccity said:
In which case, ignore my earlier post. I apologise to Nick I guess.
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That rat does not deserve an apology. The fact you thought he could swoop so low is enough to justify your original claim. Case closed. Harris is a Horrible duplicitous character. A pen for hire with no moral code.
 
mccity said:
In which case, ignore my earlier post. I apologise to Nick I guess.
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MOS asked me to write a piece. It will be online later. Nick’s piece incorporates some quotes from that. Best to read the whole piece but it is unlikely to be anything you didn’t know if you’ve heard the pods. I tried to show, for example, the key elements that CAS confirmed. A bit more balance than the usual. But these things get chopped around so let’s see how it comes out.
 
After all the bluster in his piece last week, good to see that Nick has now realised that he hasn’t unearthed some smoking gun after all.



 
projectriver said:
MOS asked me to write a piece. It will be online later. Nick’s piece incorporates some quotes from that. Best to read the whole piece but it is unlikely to be anything you didn’t know if you’ve heard the pods. I tried to show, for example, the key elements that CAS confirmed. A bit more balance than the usual. But these things get chopped around so let’s see how it comes out.
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Well thanks for your contributions. I'm sure you're a really busy guy so it's really great that you have the time to help us understand all of this.

Hopefully this larger platform can help others understand too.
 
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Breaking the British transfer record is no longer acceptable. It was only acceptable when they were doing it (9 times?)

didn’t they also break the world record to bring Pogba back? Who fucked them off and left for nothing

don’t they also have the most expensive defender of all time?

isn’t Lukaku still the most expensive striker to come to the PL?

don’t they also have the highest paid keeper in the world?

wasnt Sanchez also the highest paid Player in the PL? (While he was on loan in Italy because he was utter wank)

rag cunts
 
JASR said:
It's on the Mirror's website at least. Seems to be an ongoing investigation. Headline also includes Newcastle, and mentions IIRC "23 other clubs"
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Well at least we can’t be involved, because we would have been the headline if we were
 
projectriver said:
This is really dull and I can't really be bothered to get back into it but...

Firstly, my statement was a specific point not in the context you describe in your longer summary and pre-dated the actual CAS judgment.

But simply because ADUG funded Etihad to settle one of its contractual obligations does not mean it is automatically disguised equity investment any more than the same transaction of EAA --> Etihad --> City would (or wouldn't). It depends on the FACTS and EVIDENCE. This was not tested at CAS.

If ADUG put Etihad in funds with the requisite legal docs and creation of a debt or issue of shares to ADUG and Etihad go off and use those funds as it sees fit, it does not automatically make what they do with the cash "disguised." If however there is evidence it is a sham to disguise equity investment in City, then yes they risk being in breach. But the same applies to a flow from EAA --> Etihad --> City. It is case and fact specific. This is how the law works, you have to evidence the breach. I can't see (but you may be able to) where CAS accepted EAA funded the "Etihad central funds." It is not the case that ADUG = bad and EAA = everything is fine.

CAS was never asked to consider EAA or whether EAA had put the "Etihad central funds" in funds and it made no finding on this. CAS did definitively say none of ADUG or Etihad were related so presumably neither would EAA have been.

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So we don't know, as you assert, that if CAS found ADUG --> Etihad --> City, they would have 99% found in favour of UEFA. It is possible but likewise possible they would have concluded there was insufficient support factually of that intent. The idea they were saved because CAS were sure the funds came from EAA is just not right.

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Are we not then in a position where the club say:

‘where’s the money from?’ - ‘our sponsor’
‘Where did they get it from?’ ‘Ask them’

and then the PL have no authority whatsoever to demand to see Etihad’s accounts to prove or disprove anything that may be suggested?
 
mike1923 said:
Are we not then in a position where the club say:

‘where’s the money from?’ - ‘our sponsor’
‘Where did they get it from?’ ‘Ask them’

and then the PL have no authority whatsoever to demand to see Etihad’s accounts to prove or disprove anything that may be suggested?
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Juvenus have almost the same situation as us, in that Jeep sponsor them to the level of 100m dollars a season and Jeep are amazingly owned by Fiat, who incredibly are owned by the Agnelli family, who believe it or not own Juve.

I never seem to read or see any issues with their related sponsor ship deals with FFP.

Yet their chairman Andrea Agnelli can't wait to spout his distain against us.
 
So there’s two articles on the Fail, not the same but very similar and both updated after publication, make of that what you will, Harris is desperately trying to keep this sham relevant, and tie it in with our transfer business in the hope of creating a massive groundswell of negative public opinion against our club, maybe better to of said nothing (in line with the club) but did they quietly sanction this? Would be a massive shift & a welcome one for many on here, it felt like a warning shot across the bows of the PL so if that was the intention, great work!
 
Ric said:
After all the bluster in his piece last week, good to see that Nick has now realised that he hasn’t unearthed some smoking gun after all.



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When he says "nothing admitted" what he means is "We're innocent"

When says "Nothing proved" he means "Found innocent"

****.
 
So the gist i’m getting is

The PL have a couple of new emails which may grab a headline but don’t contain a lot.

The rest of the PL clubs (who are shareholders tbf) are pushing the PL to investigate/punish City.

City are prepared to fight an attritional litigation case to wear down the PL’s legal funding and potentially time bar some of the accusations from being charged.

The PL’s investigation/disciplinary panel never get’s involved in anything like this it’s usually player suspensions.

If it does get to a full and final hearing, City will fall back on all the evidence they had at CAS, auditted accounts, sworn witness statements etc.

Extremely high bar for PL to prove guilt given the above, UEFA got nowhere near it.

Potential fine for non compliance to save face.
 
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