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ChicagoBlue said:
Nothing like taking a single thread and weaving a tapestry, eh, Bigga?!

ONE attorney is being accused of “lying” to the FBI about potential connections between Trump and a Russian Bank and you think him being indicted for that potential “red herring” (indictment words, not mine) means the whole “RussiaGate” (whatever that actually means to you) falls apart?

What next, an exclamation of “Ah Ha!” in front of the jury???!!!

Wake me up when Sussman goes to jail for the crime of lying to the FBI AND we find out definitively that Trump doesn’t have financial ties to shady Russians.

And by that I mean other than the money laundering we already know that he does for them, as in Trump Tower apartments and the Palm Beach estate he sold!
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"Russiagate" to me means 'Russia helping him win the election'.

The rest he can burn for, I don't give a shit.

But, I guess that bit's not the important as it doesn't suit everybody else's frothing mouthed responses.
 
Bigga said:
"Russiagate" to me means 'Russia helping him win the election'.

The rest he can burn for, I don't give a shit.

But, I guess that bit's not the important as it doesn't suit everybody else's frothing mouthed responses.
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Ever heard of Bob Mueller. He wrote an interesting report on this very subject.

Spoiler alert: Russia helped Trump win the 2016 election.

The report didn’t find sufficient evidence to prove that the campaign actively conspired with the Russian government but it left no doubt that Russia actively helped the Trump campaign and that the campaign welcomed this assistance.
 
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Bigga said:
Indeed.

So, ever thought why Biden's judge has indicted Clinton's lawyer, then, over it?

Don't tell me, you're another who doesn't bother reading factual information documented via tweets.

Why would I be surprised...?
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I was commenting on your illogical conclusion that this indictment means that “Russiagate” is false. It’s not difficult to understand my point if you really wanted to.
 
Bigga said:
Ah... Remember #Russiagate that a few of us were telling you was utter bollocks...?

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The problem with this is it’s a 15 minute clip of Russell Brand but I did manage 3.22 of it before having my interest sufficiently piqued to look for alternative sources of the same information and ways of interpreting it.

It seems to me that Brand has overcooked the significance of this and the lawyers defence also makes interesting reading.

Does this issue represent absolute proof that Trump and/or his campaign team had no links to Russia? Not according to some of the other links my admittedly brief research took me to and there was nothing as recent as this.

Does one lawyer making misleading statements mean that Hilary Clinton lied about this issue. Perhaps someone could extrapolate the pertinent information from all Brand’s bluster and faux intellectual posturing to inform us, or point to a source that doesn’t involve having to watch a 15 minute film
 
journolud said:
The problem with this is it’s a 15 minute clip of Russell Brand but I did manage 3.22 of it before having my interest sufficiently piqued to look for alternative sources of the same information and ways of interpreting it.

It seems to me that Brand has overcooked the significance of this and the lawyers defence also makes interesting reading.

Does this issue represent absolute proof that Trump and/or his campaign team had no links to Russia? Not according to some of the other links my admittedly brief research took me to and there was nothing as recent as this.

Does one lawyer making misleading statements mean that Hilary Clinton lied about this issue. Perhaps someone could extrapolate the pertinent information from all Brand’s bluster and faux intellectual posturing to inform us, or point to a source that doesn’t involve having to watch a 15 minute film
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I think the key point is that there have been dozens of indictments of people in the Trump campaign, including key advisors like Roger Stone and Mike Flynn who were convicted of lying to the FBI about their contacts with Russia. One potentially dodgy Clinton lawyer does nothing that negates a single one of these convictions, and is barely relevant to anything in 2021 now that Hillary Clinton is no longer a front line politician. Students at Belfast University might be interested if they have concerns about their chancellor being tainted by these allegations but no one else is.

More to the point, anyone that can tolerate more than a few seconds of listening to Russell Brand is a wrong ‘un, and I was saying this for years before his idiotic political views became apparent.
 
west didsblue said:
I think the key point is that there have been dozens of indictments of people in the Trump campaign, including key advisors like Roger Stone and Mike Flynn who were convicted of lying to the FBI about their contacts with Russia. One potentially dodgy Clinton lawyer does nothing that negates a single one of these convictions, and is barely relevant to anything in 2021 now that Hillary Clinton is no longer a front line politician. Students at Belfast University might be interested if they have concerns about their chancellor being tainted by these allegations but no one else is.

More to the point, anyone that can tolerate more than a few seconds of listening to Russell Brand is a wrong ‘un, and I was saying this for years before his idiotic political views became apparent.
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I think we can (nearly) all agree Russell Brand is a twat. The response to a video of him being posted is predictable, there would be possibly more debate about the apparent points he makes if they were presented by someone else in a different format. Posting videos of Brand and Rogan and getting the expected response allows the poster to accuse others of shying away from “the truth”
 
journolud said:
I think we can (nearly) all agree Russell Brand is a twat. The response to a video of him being posted is predictable, there would be possibly more debate about the apparent points he makes if they were presented by someone else in a different format. Posting videos of Brand and Rogan and getting the expected response allows the poster to accuse others of shying away from “the truth”
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His "truth" is that this proves that Russian interference in the 2016 US election is not true, which demonstrates that all he's good at is creating logical fallacies.
 
west didsblue said:
I think the key point is that there have been dozens of indictments of people in the Trump campaign, including key advisors like Roger Stone and Mike Flynn who were convicted of lying to the FBI about their contacts with Russia. One potentially dodgy Clinton lawyer does nothing that negates a single one of these convictions, and is barely relevant to anything in 2021 now that Hillary Clinton is no longer a front line politician. Students at Belfast University might be interested if they have concerns about their chancellor being tainted by these allegations but no one else is.

More to the point, anyone that can tolerate more than a few seconds of listening to Russell Brand is a wrong ‘un, and I was saying this for years before his idiotic political views became apparent.
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People just refuse to see it, but it's out there; well documented and backed up, cold hard facts.

His campaign manager Paul Manafort was heavily involve in Ukraine skulduggery and had strong ties to Russia. The infamous Trump Tower meeting was absolutely FA to do with the adoption of Russian children as was first claimed.

The Russia Meeting at Trump Tower Was to Discuss Adoption. Then It Wasn’t. How Accounts Have Shifted. - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

Basically EVERYONE in Trump's orbit was LYING about ties with Russia, and if that doesn't set alarm bells ringing then you might as well give up now. And that's before you even start digging up Trump Tower Moscow stuff...
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
People just refuse to see it, but it's out there; well documented and backed up, cold hard facts.

His campaign manager Paul Manafort was heavily involve in Ukraine skulduggery and had strong ties to Russia. The infamous Trump Tower meeting was absolutely FA to do with the adoption of Russian children as was first claimed.

The Russia Meeting at Trump Tower Was to Discuss Adoption. Then It Wasn’t. How Accounts Have Shifted. - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

Basically EVERYONE in Trump's orbit was LYING about ties with Russia, and if that doesn't set alarm bells ringing then you might as well give up now. And that's before you even start digging up Trump Tower Moscow stuff...
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Uh, so Russell Brand hasn’t quite got it right?
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
Isn't that just a leaked draft of the report?

I'd be surprised that they don't 'modify' the final report given the backlash over the leaked version.
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I think they had a fairly stark choice of reporting accurately and just call out small anomalies as big issues and hope that works - Trumpers are pretty good at misrepresenting things. Or report a false outcome and face some very significant legal jeopardy.

The Big lie and the efforts around it all rely on various people pushing blatant lies trying to get traction through official channels to give it legitimacy. Many are facing significant legal / financial repercussions as a result. I suspect that the key people behind this have had long discussions with lawyers around what the report could say and what would the various implications are and they listened to that advice - stepped back from edge.

They no doubt dropped the draft versions to try and soften the fall out.
 
Gaudion M said:
I think they had a fairly stark choice of reporting accurately and just call out small anomalies as big issues and hope that works - Trumpers are pretty good at misrepresenting things. Or report a false outcome and face some very significant legal jeopardy.

The Big lie and the efforts around it all rely on various people pushing blatant lies trying to get traction through official channels to give it legitimacy. Many are facing significant legal / financial repercussions as a result. I suspect that the key people behind this have had long discussions with lawyers around what the report could say and what would the various implications are and they listened to that advice - stepped back from edge.

They no doubt dropped the draft versions to try and soften the fall out.
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Very probably.

Not sure how much of the funding for this 'audit' has come from the Stop the Steal campaign, but wherever the finance came from it was a lot of money wasted by people who can probably least afford to waste it, and that's criminal.
 
Bigga said:
"Russiagate" to me means 'Russia helping him win the election'.

The rest he can burn for, I don't give a shit.

But, I guess that bit's not the important as it doesn't suit everybody else's frothing mouthed responses.
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I think the bit you’re concerned about has already been proven, but you keep tilting at that particular 5/6 yr old windmill if you like.
 
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