Coronavirus (2021) thread

[west didsblue]

I agree that we are now on the last lap because of a combination of vaccination, people getting Covid and so getting immunity, and some of these new treatments. I wonder if those who have been refusing vaccines will now refuse to take the new Pfizer pills which could save their lives?

Should charge anti-vaxxers for this medication if they need it.

 

[hgblue]

You seem to have covered off all bases without being specific. Have you had one and if not which excuse from the list above are you using. BTW you forgot to use the 'not bothered about catching it because of my age / health / risk / reward / etc and passing on to older members of the family excuse'. And I am not sure that anyone can have any religious objections to the vaccine other than very very small denominations. There are over 5m people in the UK still unvaccinated, not sure many of them belong to the First Century Gospel Church.

I'm double jabbed, but I'm defending the right of British people to make their own decisions when it comes to taking this vaccine. The fact that this is a controversial opinion these days is very, very, scary.

 

[Manc in London]

Imagine quoting that massive fascist, right wing, bell end when it comes to medical issues, or anything for that matter.

 

[west didsblue]

I'm double jabbed, but I'm defending the right of British people to make their own decisions when it comes to taking this vaccine. The fact that this is a controversial opinion these days is very, very, scary.

It's not a controversial opinion in the slightest. No one should ever be forced to have the vaccine. However employers and business owners should equally have the right to choose whether to employ an unvaccinated person or allow an unvaccinated person on their premises, and the free availability of treatments for the disease should be prioritised for people who have chosen to protect themselves. I have no problem if the unvaccinated were billed for any treatment for the disease that they've consciously chosen not immunise themselves against. So yes, it's a free choice, and if they want to go that route they need to accept the potential consequences.

 

[True_Blue69]

Imagine quoting that massive fascist, right wing, bell end when it comes to medical issues, or anything for that matter.

I don’t know who it is to be honest, just thought it was a bit of good news.

Which part of their tweet offends you so much?

 

[grunge]

I'm double jabbed, but I'm defending the right of British people to make their own decisions when it comes to taking this vaccine. The fact that this is a controversial opinion these days is very, very, scary.

Limiting access to places for safety of others with a vaccine passport is no more controversial than not being allowed to drive a car without a drivers licence. or not get into a nightclub with trainers on.

the fact that Delta its transmissible while vaccinated does bring the passport saftey into question entirely though mind you.

 

[grunge]

I don’t know who it is to be honest, just thought it was a bit of good news.

Which part of their tweet offends you so much?

Guido is a renowned controversial political "blogger". generally anything he says needs to be fact checked as its usually either false or spun to within an inch of its life..

Nowt wrong with his particualar tweet tho, I think his "its over" ending is over the top as its far from over for most of the world unless the pill is incredibly easy to make so can be made anywhere and cheap as chips. In general, taken on face value of meaning "for the UK" he's not far wrong assuming we can get the pill past the medical board.

 

[Phil1]

This is life sadly. People get ill and people die. Some will be very old and likely have passed due to flu, some anti-vaxxers. Doesn't make it right, no, but as a major public health issue, it's almost certainly very much on its last legs. Definitely not worth hiding indoors or obsessing over anymore. I know people who are young and healthy and vaccinated who are terrified of it still to the extent that they won't leave the house for anything. Not even a sibling's wedding. Nothing. It's hugely depressing when they have next to nowt to fear as a young a healthy bloke. Same for most people now mercifully.

It's mad to think there are people choosing to hide away. Honestly, apart from wearing a mask when going into a bar/restaurant, keeping to social distancing and applying hand gel on entering shops my life has been 100% back to normal for the best part of 8 months.
Get vaccinated and crack the fuck on would be my advice. Appreciate that the UK is a bit different due to the amount of fuckwits knocking about but still..

 

[hgblue]

Limiting access to places for safety of others with a vaccine passport is no more controversial than not being allowed to drive a car without a drivers licence. or not get into a nightclub with trainers on.

the fact that Delta its transmissible while vaccinated does bring the passport saftey into question entirely though mind you.

There are large numbers of vaccinated people catching and spreading covid so what is the vaccine passport for exactly?

 

[blueparrot]

There are large numbers of vaccinated people catching and spreading covid so what is the vaccine passport for exactly?

To reduce the risk of spread which it does. Nobody said it eliminates it.

 

[Toney’s bookie]

It's mad to think there are people choosing to hide away. Honestly, apart from wearing a mask when going into a bar/restaurant, keeping to social distancing and applying hand gel on entering shops my life has been 100% back to normal for the best part of 8 months.
Get vaccinated and crack the fuck on would be my advice. Appreciate that the UK is a bit different due to the amount of fuckwits knocking about but still..

I counted about three masks at the game on Wednesday. To be fair I think the vast, vast majority of people have got back to normal now and those that still behave as if it’s April 2020 just need more time I guess.

 

[Gremlin]

There are large numbers of vaccinated people catching and spreading covid so what is the vaccine passport for exactly?

Beacause, whilst the vaccinated can still catch and spread it, the transmission is far lower than in the unvaccinated. It's a numbers game to reduce overall transmission across the population as a whole. in terms of absolute numbers, the majority of the population is vaccinated so they will naturally make up most of the numbers. Remember that if the whole population were 100% vaccinated then the only people catching and spreading it would be vaccinated - but the rate of transmission would be far lower than if everyone were unvaccinated.

We have similar levels of infection at the moment to the peak in January but then everyone was locked down but now there are very few restrictions. Also hospitalisations are 1 quarter of what they were then and deaths around a tenth. All this is the effect of the vaccine.

 

[grunge]

There are large numbers of vaccinated people catching and spreading covid so what is the vaccine passport for exactly?

Did you read my last line.

 

[blueparrot]

I counted about three masks at the game on Wednesday. To be fair I think the vast, vast majority of people have got back to normal now and those that still behave as if it’s April 2020 just need more time I guess.

The vast majority of people in England may have gone back to normal and stopped mask wearing, worldwide UK wide not so much. If that's the reason England / UK has some of the highest cases nubers now I'll let others decide.

 

[True_Blue69]

The vast majority of people in England may have gone back to normal and stopped mask wearing, worldwide UK wide not so much. If that's the reason England / UK has some of the highest cases nubers now I'll let others decide.

Wales and Scotland you have to wear masks but their infection rate is worse, so I’m not sure. More likely we have the best test, track & trace system in the world so are catching them.

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

I'm double jabbed, but I'm defending the right of British people to make their own decisions when it comes to taking this vaccine. The fact that this is a controversial opinion these days is very, very, scary.

Get yourself jabbed to help protect yourself and others, very scary...

 

[vincent]

The vast majority of people in England may have gone back to normal and stopped mask wearing, worldwide UK wide not so much. If that's the reason England / UK has some of the highest cases nubers now I'll let others decide.

Aren’t other European countries seeing huge spikes now? I read Germany had record numbers of cases yesterday.

 

[Phil1]

Wales and Scotland you have to wear masks but their infection rate is worse, so I’m not sure. More likely we have the best test, track & trace system in the world so are catching them.

Hasn't the track and trace received much criticism due to being a bit of a shambles?
I suppose if Boris and his mates keep telling us it's the best in the world it must be true, they are a trustworthy lot after all.

 

[Manchester33]

In my view that is upside down.

We should be offering DISincentives to those who decline.

Giving people the idea that if they hang on and do not bother they will benefit in the long run by desperate politicians needing them to do what any decent human being would see as their civic duty unless they have sound medical reasons not to do so is like rewarding the greedy who put other people at risk. Their families included. Whilst they wait for the carrot.

We are at the point where the stick is needed imo. You have a job that interacts with the public a lot then you HAVE to be vaccinated or you lose your job to one of the many who did the right thing and lost theirs.

That is how we get out of this not waiting for the selfish to bother if they see having a jab as a win for themselves.

I respect many will disagree and I was initially opposed to this kind of persuasion as I thought Britain was a caring society. But the reason people who feel they are invulnerable due to age or fitness are waiting is because they expect there to be a benefit first.

In World War Two those who did not want to fight were sent down coal mines not given free passes to nightclubs. There WAS a choice but there was also a fair price to pay for making it.

Although I do think a 'stick' would generate better results, I don't see this government using that as a policy.

The issue with a 'carrot' policy instead is that in positively reinforces a view that someone needs to be bribed into taking this big, perceived risk of having a vaccine. It would entrench some people deeper into their view.

My opinion (as a fully vaccinated person) is to let people do whatever they want - but don't prevent businesses from making their own decisions either. If I run a pub and only want vaccinated people in, fine. Either get vaccinated and be a welcome guest or don't and enjoy your freedom of choice elsewhere.

Freedom goes both ways.

 

[blueparrot]

Aren’t other European countries seeing huge spikes now? I read Germany had record numbers of cases yesterday.

Germany are yes, not sure how mask wearing is going there , or any individual country for that matter. Scotland seems to be flatlining at about half the UK rate so theres that.My opinion thogh is there is no reason not have mask wearing it's easy and even if its only reduces transmission a bit then why not .