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This is the key to how bad it will get.

Exactly how much protection each of these categories gives against omicron in each age bracket is what determines if this will be bad or catastrophic.

The equivalent for SA is very different, and the balance of the numbers in each age bracket is too, which is why any strong conclusions are impossible at this point.


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From John Burn-Murdoch here; the rest of the thread is an eye opener too on hospital capacity.

 
Seems the vaccines each one you have builds up your immune system and your antibodies.

So someone who is going for his first vaccine will they be protected?
 
waspish said:
Seems the vaccines each one you have builds up your immune system and your antibodies.

So someone who is going for his first vaccine will they be protected?
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Thats an interesting question. I would say they would have limited protection after a fortnight. It takes time to generate an immune response.
 
A scientist on the BBC warned today that literally everyone - unless living as a hermit - will meet someone with Omicron over the next few weeks. And most will likely catch it.

This will be no ordinary wave if that is true.

The only real hope is that it is genuinely less deadly even in the most vulnerable categories, that maybe half a million cases not 50,000 as now, on one day at the peak does not create enough hospital patients to cause the NHS big problems given all the other stuff we might see this Winter (though Omicron might actually be so virulent it suppresses them a lot hopefully) and IF this proves the terminal wave that tops up human immunity massively in one go with minimal cost to life and we end up with a dominant virus strain too successful to be out competed then we truly can live with it much as we do with flu.

A lot of big ifs there. But this is going to be a happy new year or a nightmare. We all have to hope it is the former or today may be one of the last City games you get to go to any time soon.
 
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Healdplace said:
A scientist on the BBC warned today that literally everyone - unless living as a hermit - will meet someone with Omicron over the next few weeks. And most will likely catch it.

This will be no ordinary wave if that is true.

The only real hope is that it is genuinely less deadly even in the most vulnerable categories, that maybe half a million cases not 50,000 as now, on one day at the peak does not create enough hospital patients to create problems given all the other stuff we might see this Winter (though Omicron might actually be so virulent it suppresses all them hopefully) and IF this proves the terminal wave that tops up human immunity massively in one go with minimal cost to life and we end up with a dominant virus we truly can lie with much aswe do with flu.

A lot of big ifs there. But this is going to be a happy new year or a nightmare. We all have to hope it is the former or today may be one of the last City games you get to go to any time soon.
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Is that pretty much word for what what they were saying this time last year.
 
paulchapo said:
With Delta? I think it was. The same will be true of almost every new variant it will be await and see game I think.
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Whilst true we have the vaccines now and did not then so that has at least created an exit strategy. Even IF Omicron evades the current ones enough to create big problems we will have a defence against it to adminster in the Spring probably.

Any new variant will have to go some to outpace Omicron it seems. We might be grateful it was what it was in a few weeks time if its less deadly nature and virtually unsurpassable infectivity proves true. It is our best hope really as a never ending stream of more and more severe variants would be very bad news. We could do with one dominating indefinitely that has the least possible impact on humanity. None of them will have no impact.
 
New modelling from the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine (LSHTM) used experimental data to look at how Omicron may transmit as the country heads into 2022.

It suggests that Omicron could potentially cause more cases and hospitalisations in England than during the wave in January 2021, if additional control measures are not taken.

Under the best-case scenario, the variant could lead to a peak of more than 2,000 daily hospital admissions, with 175,000 hospitalisations and 24,700 deaths between 1 December 2021 and 30 April 2022, the projection suggests.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
I think it's fair to say that most of us are in some degree of denial over what is likely coming, self included.
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Hard to know what's coming though. Perhaps some are in denial (including myself) or perhaps we're making it into a bigger deal than necessary. Time will tell.

From what I understand South Africa haven't yet felt the need to introduce more restrictions so maybe it won't be as bad as some expect. Here's hoping anyway!
 
BlueHammer85 said:
New modelling from the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine (LSHTM) used experimental data to look at how Omicron may transmit as the country heads into 2022.

It suggests that Omicron could potentially cause more cases and hospitalisations in England than during the wave in January 2021, if additional control measures are not taken.

Under the best-case scenario, the variant could lead to a peak of more than 2,000 daily hospital admissions, with 175,000 hospitalisations and 24,700 deaths between 1 December 2021 and 30 April 2022, the projection suggests.
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somebody is taking the piss
 
BlueHammer85 said:
New modelling from the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine (LSHTM) used experimental data to look at how Omicron may transmit as the country heads into 2022.

It suggests that Omicron could potentially cause more cases and hospitalisations in England than during the wave in January 2021, if additional control measures are not taken.

Under the best-case scenario, the variant could lead to a peak of more than 2,000 daily hospital admissions, with 175,000 hospitalisations and 24,700 deaths between 1 December 2021 and 30 April 2022, the projection suggests.
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Is there any stats on how many people with Omicron have been hospitalised? This is the stat that’s the most important stat to find out in a month where we will be at!
 
KnaresboroughBlue said:
Hard to know what's coming though. Perhaps some are in denial (including myself) or perhaps we're making it into a bigger deal than necessary. Time will tell.

From what I understand South Africa haven't yet felt the need to introduce more restrictions so maybe it won't be as bad as some expect. Here's hoping anyway!
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It’s been gaining traction across Africa in the last fortnight, but by paying attention to Tshwane, Gauteng, and South Africa we should have a better idea of what to expect.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table
 
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