Coronavirus (2021) thread

[hammocity]

The word from ground zero.

Brilliant, that’ll do for me

 

[ayrshire_blue]

The negative news appears to be an apparent increase in severity for children. Dealing with small numbers but still, not good. Hopefully further studies on this bring more information soon and it's a bit more positive.

 

[hammocity]

This is positive..but we cannot compare SA with UK..not yet imo ?

She did say you can trust her abd even an 80 year old can expect to get a mild version of the virus.

 

[splinter]

Omicron: Why do boosters work if two doses struggle?

The vaccines are unchanged - so why could three be the magic number against Omicron?

www.bbc.co.uk

De la soul 3 the magic number..tune ;))

 

[Marvin]

Why are you assuming AZ would be worse? I remember seeing some info that AZ (adenovirus vector vaccines) actually produced more robust T-cells than the mRNA jabs and so if this is correct, we may actually have played a blinder by injecting our oldies with AZ. There isn’t enough data to make such a statement in reality other than perceiving AZ to be inferior.

(I’m under 40 but had 2 x AZ + Pfizer booster)

T-cell ‘training grounds’ behind robust immune system response seen in adenovirus vaccines | University of Oxford

Adenovirus vaccine vectors, such as the ChAdOx1 nCov-19 construct which has risen to prominence as a major vaccine for COVID-19, may generate robust long-term immune system responses, according to scientists from the Universities of Oxford and the Cantonal Hospital St.Gallen, Switzerland.

www.ox.ac.uk

Moderna or Novavax after AstraZeneca jab confers high Covid immunity, study finds

Finding is good news for lower-income countries that have not yet completed their primary vaccination campaigns

amp.theguardian.com

Based on the AZ effectiveness against symptomatic transmission. 0% - 10%. Pfizer was 30%. That'smy recollection of the reports I've read.

I am sure we will find out soon. We don't know but that's my expectation. And the other variable is time. The UK was first to vaccinate with AZ well before SA. I am aware that T cell immunity lasts longer than antibodies but still this is very depressing data. Some vaccine fans will spin it but there's now a really pressing need to get boosted.

I want to be wrong

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Depends on where you start from. Won't know for sure till we have 4 or 5 weeks of data due to specimen dates, superspread events and the relatively low numbers. So at the moment it's anywhere between 2.2 and 3.6 as we stand.

Another unreferenced set of numbers, and even if right (they're not) you've been asserting 3.5.

Why do you do this, when even according to your own unreferenced belief, that's right at one end of the possible spectrum?

 

[Toney’s bookie]

Based on the AZ effectiveness against symptomatic transmission. 0% - 10%. Pfizer was 30%. That'smy recollection of the reports I've read.

I am sure we will find out soon. We don't know but that's my expectation. And the other variable is time. The UK was first to vaccinate with AZ well before SA. I am aware that T cell immunity lasts longer than antibodies but still this is very depressing data. Some vaccine fans will spin it but there's now a really pressing need to get boosted.

I want to be wrong

Yes that’s right but symptomatic transmission could be that everyone gets a sniffle.

The 70% mentioned upthread for Pfizer was for hospitalization I believe and so that’s a different metric and we don’t have any data for any other vaccines as yet afaik.

Either way, we’ll find out soon enough I guess.

 

[Marvin]

Brilliant, that’ll do for me

That is brilliant but that contradicts with that study. I give up. Just hope for the best. This is what happens. Conflicting reports. Both seem good sources

 

[True_Blue69]

So to summarise, are we back to plan A or still cancelling football and Xmas?

 

[waspish]

The only difference to our country and South Africa is the age group in South Africa they don’t have the millions of over 75’s as we do until we get the stats from this country we don’t know how severe it will be.

 

[splinter]

How's the SA president getting on..

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

The only difference to our country and South Africa is the age group in South Africa they don’t have the millions of over 75’s as we do until we get the stats from this country we don’t know how severe it will be.

That's not the only difference, our vaccination rate is significantly higher as well.

 

[twosips]

Not going to lie, I personally feel a bit dispirited today reading about the vaccine passports including the third jab. I'm double-vaccinated, but I'm a little hesitant towards the third one for health reasons. Anyone who's read my posts in here knows I'm very pro-vaccine. I'm double-vaccinated, got mine as early as I could, and even helped others got their jabs too. I'm a tad nervous though about this third one however for the following reason. Frustratingly I've had on and off chest problems since my jabs. I even had a sore arm and leg for about two months after my first. I've been fobbed off by GPs absolutely loads and they've never got to the bottom of what is causing my chest problems. Just told me to come back if it got any worse. It was very, very uncomfortable at one point, to the extent that I went to the hospital. They did a blood test and x-ray and said things looked fine. They said they weren't sure what it was and just once again said to come back if it got worse after leaving me for ten hours in the waiting room until 6am...

It hung around a bit. I've spoken to some family health professionals and the only real reliable, accurate way to test for myocarditis/heart imflammation it seems is an echocardiagram or even a biopsy. There are plenty of good ways to indicate it, but nothing as reliable as those two as mild cases can easily be missed by other methods. Naturally given the state of the health care system currently there is zero chance i'm getting that done any time soon so it's sorta a great unknown. I've just got zero idea what is wrong with me, with GPs reluctant to do anything other than telling me to rest or try some gastro tablets.

It has slightly faded with time, admittedly, and I've been so busy with getting married and moving home that I've just not had time to chase GPs etc. They're exceptionally hard to get hold of at my local practice and they just won't see you in person either. It does however mildly flare up every now and then, like it did a couple of weeks ago. It concerns me, naturally. I'm recently married, bought a house and want to start a family with my wife. I find myself thinking 'what if im one of the unlucky ones who got a mild case of myocarditis?'. I'm a bloke in my mid 30s, which is a higher risk demographic for that side effect. I understand it's rare, but not so insanely rare that it's not worth considering. It could of course not be that, but of course it does concern me a bit, and given no doctors or GPs have ever gotten to the bottom of what's causing it, I'm a little hesitant. I don't think that's really unreasonable either?

I know most of you will just tell me to go and get jabbed anyway, because why wouldn't you? I'm a stranger really, so I guess it makes no difference to any of your lives...maybe I'm making a mountain out of a molehill. Still, not knowing what has caused my chest pains, with it coming on post jab, has made me want to just hang about a bit to make sure whatever is causing the pains has a chance to actually fuck off. I know all this reads and sounds like anxiety. I can only assure you it isn't. Life has genuinely been good over the past few months and i've really, really enjoyed the normality of it all. It feels very physiological and really isolated in the centre of my chest. It's worse when I lie down for example. I can't say i've been worried about anything overtly for some time now, so anxiety doesn't really add up in this situation.

Personally I'm not too concerned about Omicron, and I think that's not exactly without reason either given all we know about it so far. I can't help but feel that I want to just wait some time for my third jab. I don't know if that's wise or not, but it doesn't feel unwise either. It is a right sinker to know that the passport scheme would sorta look to exclude me if I waited around though...it feels like a punch to the gut. Torn between worrying about my own personal health but also not wanting to be excluded from all of this. Anyway, just venting a bit here. Would be curious to wonder what others would do in my situation.

 

[BlueHammer85]

The chief medical officer of Moderna, Dr Paul Burton, is next to be questioned by the committee.

He said he does not believe Omicron is a milder or less severe variant of COVID-19 and warned that with both Omicron and Delta circulating people could become co-infected.

He said: "Individuals will become co-infected which gives the opportunity for these viruses to evolve and mutate which is a concerning and worrying situation.

"I think if we could get to a situation with a milder virus that would be a good thing, but I don't think that will occur in the near future.

 

[splinter]

The chief medical officer of Moderna, Dr Paul Burton, is next to be questioned by the committee.

He said he does not believe Omicron is a milder or less severe variant of COVID-19 and warned that with both Omicron and Delta circulating people could become co-infected.

He said: "Individuals will become co-infected which gives the opportunity for these viruses to evolve and mutate which is a concerning and worrying situation.

"I think if we could get to a situation with a milder virus that would be a good thing, but I don't think that will occur in the near future.

Merry fucking Christmas

 

[ayrshire_blue]

He said: "Individuals will become co-infected which gives the opportunity for these viruses to evolve and mutate which is a concerning and worrying situation.

Suppose he mentioned that we should spend our entire lives worrying about this scenario too, given that it'll always be a possibility?

 

[blue b4 the moon]

The evidence on Omicron coming out of South Africa continues to look encouraging.

The head of the South African Medical Association has just said the variant still seems to be causing milder symptoms than the previously dominant Delta virus.

Dr Angelique Coetzee told the Science and Technology Committee that even hospitalised patients needed care for half as long – and were less likely to need oxygen.

That sounds like what I was quoting in the middle of last night when I was half asleep.

Edit after watching the video it'snot what I saw.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

So to summarise, are we back to plan A or still cancelling football and Xmas?

A government minister said “yes”.…

 

[domalino]

The only difference to our country and South Africa is the age group in South Africa they don’t have the millions of over 75’s as we do until we get the stats from this country we don’t know how severe it will be.

It's also peak summer in South Africa right now.

 

[splinter]

I take it the vaccine companies are tweaking the vaccines for omicron right now ?