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twosips said:
Not going to lie, I personally feel a bit dispirited today reading about the vaccine passports including the third jab. I'm double-vaccinated, but I'm a little hesitant towards the third one for health reasons. Anyone who's read my posts in here knows I'm very pro-vaccine. I'm double-vaccinated, got mine as early as I could, and even helped others got their jabs too. I'm a tad nervous though about this third one however for the following reason. Frustratingly I've had on and off chest problems since my jabs. I even had a sore arm and leg for about two months after my first. I've been fobbed off by GPs absolutely loads and they've never got to the bottom of what is causing my chest problems. Just told me to come back if it got any worse. It was very, very uncomfortable at one point, to the extent that I went to the hospital. They did a blood test and x-ray and said things looked fine. They said they weren't sure what it was and just once again said to come back if it got worse after leaving me for ten hours in the waiting room until 6am...

It hung around a bit. I've spoken to some family health professionals and the only real reliable, accurate way to test for myocarditis/heart imflammation it seems is an echocardiagram or even a biopsy. There are plenty of good ways to indicate it, but nothing as reliable as those two as mild cases can easily be missed by other methods. Naturally given the state of the health care system currently there is zero chance i'm getting that done any time soon so it's sorta a great unknown. I've just got zero idea what is wrong with me, with GPs reluctant to do anything other than telling me to rest or try some gastro tablets.

It has slightly faded with time, admittedly, and I've been so busy with getting married and moving home that I've just not had time to chase GPs etc. They're exceptionally hard to get hold of at my local practice and they just won't see you in person either. It does however mildly flare up every now and then, like it did a couple of weeks ago. It concerns me, naturally. I'm recently married, bought a house and want to start a family with my wife. I find myself thinking 'what if im one of the unlucky ones who got a mild case of myocarditis?'. I'm a bloke in my mid 30s, which is a higher risk demographic for that side effect. I understand it's rare, but not so insanely rare that it's not worth considering. It could of course not be that, but of course it does concern me a bit, and given no doctors or GPs have ever gotten to the bottom of what's causing it, I'm a little hesitant. I don't think that's really unreasonable either?

I know most of you will just tell me to go and get jabbed anyway, because why wouldn't you? I'm a stranger really, so I guess it makes no difference to any of your lives...maybe I'm making a mountain out of a molehill. Still, not knowing what has caused my chest pains, with it coming on post jab, has made me want to just hang about a bit to make sure whatever is causing the pains has a chance to actually fuck off. I know all this reads and sounds like anxiety. I can only assure you it isn't. Life has genuinely been good over the past few months and i've really, really enjoyed the normality of it all. It feels very physiological and really isolated in the centre of my chest. It's worse when I lie down for example. I can't say i've been worried about anything overtly for some time now, so anxiety doesn't really add up in this situation.

Personally I'm not too concerned about Omicron, and I think that's not exactly without reason either given all we know about it so far. I can't help but feel that I want to just wait some time for my third jab. I don't know if that's wise or not, but it doesn't feel unwise either. It is a right sinker to know that the passport scheme would sorta look to exclude me if I waited around though...it feels like a punch to the gut. Torn between worrying about my own personal health but also not wanting to be excluded from all of this. Anyway, just venting a bit here. Would be curious to wonder what others would do in my situation.
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Under those circumstances I'd be worried too mate. Hope you feel better soon, and if it were me I'd probably leave it a bit til booking a booster and see how the land lies in the new year.
 
twosips said:
Not going to lie, I personally feel a bit dispirited today reading about the vaccine passports including the third jab. I'm double-vaccinated, but I'm a little hesitant towards the third one for health reasons. Anyone who's read my posts in here knows I'm very pro-vaccine. I'm double-vaccinated, got mine as early as I could, and even helped others got their jabs too. I'm a tad nervous though about this third one however for the following reason. Frustratingly I've had on and off chest problems since my jabs. I even had a sore arm and leg for about two months after my first. I've been fobbed off by GPs absolutely loads and they've never got to the bottom of what is causing my chest problems. Just told me to come back if it got any worse. It was very, very uncomfortable at one point, to the extent that I went to the hospital. They did a blood test and x-ray and said things looked fine. They said they weren't sure what it was and just once again said to come back if it got worse after leaving me for ten hours in the waiting room until 6am...

It hung around a bit. I've spoken to some family health professionals and the only real reliable, accurate way to test for myocarditis/heart imflammation it seems is an echocardiagram or even a biopsy. There are plenty of good ways to indicate it, but nothing as reliable as those two as mild cases can easily be missed by other methods. Naturally given the state of the health care system currently there is zero chance i'm getting that done any time soon so it's sorta a great unknown. I've just got zero idea what is wrong with me, with GPs reluctant to do anything other than telling me to rest or try some gastro tablets.

It has slightly faded with time, admittedly, and I've been so busy with getting married and moving home that I've just not had time to chase GPs etc. They're exceptionally hard to get hold of at my local practice and they just won't see you in person either. It does however mildly flare up every now and then, like it did a couple of weeks ago. It concerns me, naturally. I'm recently married, bought a house and want to start a family with my wife. I find myself thinking 'what if im one of the unlucky ones who got a mild case of myocarditis?'. I'm a bloke in my mid 30s, which is a higher risk demographic for that side effect. I understand it's rare, but not so insanely rare that it's not worth considering. It could of course not be that, but of course it does concern me a bit, and given no doctors or GPs have ever gotten to the bottom of what's causing it, I'm a little hesitant. I don't think that's really unreasonable either?

I know most of you will just tell me to go and get jabbed anyway, because why wouldn't you? I'm a stranger really, so I guess it makes no difference to any of your lives...maybe I'm making a mountain out of a molehill. Still, not knowing what has caused my chest pains, with it coming on post jab, has made me want to just hang about a bit to make sure whatever is causing the pains has a chance to actually fuck off. I know all this reads and sounds like anxiety. I can only assure you it isn't. Life has genuinely been good over the past few months and i've really, really enjoyed the normality of it all. It feels very physiological and really isolated in the centre of my chest. It's worse when I lie down for example. I can't say i've been worried about anything overtly for some time now, so anxiety doesn't really add up in this situation.

Personally I'm not too concerned about Omicron, and I think that's not exactly without reason either given all we know about it so far. I can't help but feel that I want to just wait some time for my third jab. I don't know if that's wise or not, but it doesn't feel unwise either. It is a right sinker to know that the passport scheme would sorta look to exclude me if I waited around though...it feels like a punch to the gut. Torn between worrying about my own personal health but also not wanting to be excluded from all of this. Anyway, just venting a bit here. Would be curious to wonder what others would do in my situation.
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Passport wise you can always use a negative LFT instead of the 3rd shot.
 
twosips said:
Not going to lie, I personally feel a bit dispirited today reading about the vaccine passports including the third jab. I'm double-vaccinated, but I'm a little hesitant towards the third one for health reasons. Anyone who's read my posts in here knows I'm very pro-vaccine. I'm double-vaccinated, got mine as early as I could, and even helped others got their jabs too. I'm a tad nervous though about this third one however for the following reason. Frustratingly I've had on and off chest problems since my jabs. I even had a sore arm and leg for about two months after my first. I've been fobbed off by GPs absolutely loads and they've never got to the bottom of what is causing my chest problems. Just told me to come back if it got any worse. It was very, very uncomfortable at one point, to the extent that I went to the hospital. They did a blood test and x-ray and said things looked fine. They said they weren't sure what it was and just once again said to come back if it got worse after leaving me for ten hours in the waiting room until 6am...

It hung around a bit. I've spoken to some family health professionals and the only real reliable, accurate way to test for myocarditis/heart imflammation it seems is an echocardiagram or even a biopsy. There are plenty of good ways to indicate it, but nothing as reliable as those two as mild cases can easily be missed by other methods. Naturally given the state of the health care system currently there is zero chance i'm getting that done any time soon so it's sorta a great unknown. I've just got zero idea what is wrong with me, with GPs reluctant to do anything other than telling me to rest or try some gastro tablets.

It has slightly faded with time, admittedly, and I've been so busy with getting married and moving home that I've just not had time to chase GPs etc. They're exceptionally hard to get hold of at my local practice and they just won't see you in person either. It does however mildly flare up every now and then. It concerns me, naturally. I find myself thinking 'what if im one of the unlucky ones who got a bit of myocarditis?'. I'm a bloke in my mid 30s. I understand it's rare, but not so insanely rare that it's not worth considering. It could of course not be that, but of course it does concern me a bit, and given no doctors or GPs have ever gotten to the bottom of what's causing it, I'm a little hesitant. I don't think that's really unreasonable either?

I know most of you will just tell me to go and get jabbed anyway, because why wouldn't you? I'm a stranger really, so I guess it makes no difference to any of your lives...maybe I'm making a mountain out of a molehill. Still, not knowing what has caused my chest pains, with it coming on post jab, has made me want to just hang about a bit to make sure whatever is causing the pains has a chance to actually fuck off. I know all this reads and sounds like anxiety. I can only assure you it isn't. Life has genuinely been good over the past few months and i've really, really enjoyed the normality of it all. It feels very physiological and really isolated in the centre of my chest. I can't say i've been worried about anything overtly for some time now, so anxiety doesn't really add up in this situation.

Personally I'm not too concerned about Omicron, and I think that's not exactly without reason either given all we know about it so far. I can't help but feel that I want to just wait around for my third jab. I don't know if that's wise or not, but it doesn't feel unwise either. It is a right sinker to know that the passport scheme would sorta look to exclude me if I waited around though...it feels like a punch to the gut. Torn between worrying about my own personal health but also not wanting to be excluded from all of this. Anyway, just venting a bit here. Would be curious to wonder what others would do in my situation.
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Honestly? If I was in your position I would be fretting about what was the right thing to do. I’m not even sure if there is a ‘right‘ answer - except maybe go with your gut feel.

I think boosters will be an annual occurrence, so maybe delaying this one for a while longer to see if your health improves or even getting on a later round of boosters if that happens.

Age and being double jabbed is a positive, so maybe being a bit more circumspect when socialising would also be prudent while trying to work things out.
 
twosips said:
Not going to lie, I personally feel a bit dispirited today reading about the vaccine passports including the third jab. I'm double-vaccinated, but I'm a little hesitant towards the third one for health reasons. Anyone who's read my posts in here knows I'm very pro-vaccine. I'm double-vaccinated, got mine as early as I could, and even helped others got their jabs too. I'm a tad nervous though about this third one however for the following reason. Frustratingly I've had on and off chest problems since my jabs. I even had a sore arm and leg for about two months after my first. I've been fobbed off by GPs absolutely loads and they've never got to the bottom of what is causing my chest problems. Just told me to come back if it got any worse. It was very, very uncomfortable at one point, to the extent that I went to the hospital. They did a blood test and x-ray and said things looked fine. They said they weren't sure what it was and just once again said to come back if it got worse after leaving me for ten hours in the waiting room until 6am...

It hung around a bit. I've spoken to some family health professionals and the only real reliable, accurate way to test for myocarditis/heart imflammation it seems is an echocardiagram or even a biopsy. There are plenty of good ways to indicate it, but nothing as reliable as those two as mild cases can easily be missed by other methods. Naturally given the state of the health care system currently there is zero chance i'm getting that done any time soon so it's sorta a great unknown. I've just got zero idea what is wrong with me, with GPs reluctant to do anything other than telling me to rest or try some gastro tablets.

It has slightly faded with time, admittedly, and I've been so busy with getting married and moving home that I've just not had time to chase GPs etc. They're exceptionally hard to get hold of at my local practice and they just won't see you in person either. It does however mildly flare up every now and then, like it did a couple of weeks ago. It concerns me, naturally. I'm recently married, bought a house and want to start a family with my wife. I find myself thinking 'what if im one of the unlucky ones who got a mild case of myocarditis?'. I'm a bloke in my mid 30s, which is a higher risk demographic for that side effect. I understand it's rare, but not so insanely rare that it's not worth considering. It could of course not be that, but of course it does concern me a bit, and given no doctors or GPs have ever gotten to the bottom of what's causing it, I'm a little hesitant. I don't think that's really unreasonable either?

I know most of you will just tell me to go and get jabbed anyway, because why wouldn't you? I'm a stranger really, so I guess it makes no difference to any of your lives...maybe I'm making a mountain out of a molehill. Still, not knowing what has caused my chest pains, with it coming on post jab, has made me want to just hang about a bit to make sure whatever is causing the pains has a chance to actually fuck off. I know all this reads and sounds like anxiety. I can only assure you it isn't. Life has genuinely been good over the past few months and i've really, really enjoyed the normality of it all. It feels very physiological and really isolated in the centre of my chest. It's worse when I lie down for example. I can't say i've been worried about anything overtly for some time now, so anxiety doesn't really add up in this situation.

Personally I'm not too concerned about Omicron, and I think that's not exactly without reason either given all we know about it so far. I can't help but feel that I want to just wait some time for my third jab. I don't know if that's wise or not, but it doesn't feel unwise either. It is a right sinker to know that the passport scheme would sorta look to exclude me if I waited around though...it feels like a punch to the gut. Torn between worrying about my own personal health but also not wanting to be excluded from all of this. Anyway, just venting a bit here. Would be curious to wonder what others would do in my situation.
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Fully understand your concerns mate.

It just seems bizarre to me that less than 5 months after having the manufacturers recommended dose of 2 I'm being pushed into getting a third, I'm in my twenties and healthy if my immunity has waned that much in as little as 3 months it doesn't seem right that I'm now to be given a third dose of the same vaccine? At this point I'd rather risk blood clots and take the AZ vaccine as a "booster".

I could accept the idea we might need annual jabs similar to flu, but a jab every 3 months especially for under 40s just seems absolutely insane especially with the increased risk of Myocarditis. I think its 1 every 50k after the second dose, what does that go down to after a third? I'll end up getting it eventually but I have absolutely no interest in queuing in the pissing rain for 5 hours.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
The chief medical officer of Moderna, Dr Paul Burton, is next to be questioned by the committee.

He said he does not believe Omicron is a milder or less severe variant of COVID-19 and warned that with both Omicron and Delta circulating people could become co-infected.

He said: "Individuals will become co-infected which gives the opportunity for these viruses to evolve and mutate which is a concerning and worrying situation.

"I think if we could get to a situation with a milder virus that would be a good thing, but I don't think that will occur in the near future.
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CMO of Moderna, good job he is totally neutral and isn't part of a company selling vaccines. Oh wait.....
 
twosips said:
Only anecdotal, but saw some suggestions online that its such a hot summer over there though that its driving people indoors.
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I thought that at the time too so checked the forecast and its pretty poor at the moment. Not gone above 30'c in Dec and seems to be closer to 25.

right now its raining which has the same effect tho.
 
BobKowalski said:
Honestly? If I was in your position I would be fretting about what was the right thing to do. I’m not even sure if there is a ‘right‘ answer - except maybe go with your gut feel.

I think boosters will be an annual occurrence, so maybe delaying this one for a while longer to see if your health improves or even getting on a later round of boosters if that happens.

Age and being double jabbed is a positive, so maybe being a bit more circumspect when socialising would also be prudent while trying to work things out.
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My gut says to hang back a bit. The wife suggested it too, and she's pro-vaccine and has a mum who works in the NHS. I think i'll just do as others have suggested and just see where we're at in Jan/Feb. I'm sure i'll be fine if I do catch it.
 
We will all be having these at home in years to come.

Needle-free Covid-19 vaccine being trialled in the UK

Metro Science Reporter
Tuesday 14 Dec 2021 12:01 am
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EMBARGOED TO 0001 TUESDAY DECEMBER 14 Undated University of Cambridge of the new DIOSvax needle-free vaccine being trialled at the University of Southampton. Issue date: Tuesday December 14, 2021. PA Photo. See PA story HEALTH Coronavirus Trial. Photo credit should read: Lloyd Mann/University of Cambridge/PA Wire NOTE TO EDITORS: This handout photo may only be used in for editorial reporting purposes for the contemporaneous illustration of events, things or the people in the image or facts mentioned in the caption. Reuse of the picture may require further permission from the copyright holder.
The new DIOSvax needle-free vaccine being trialled at the University of Southampton. (Credits: PA)
A trial is being launched of a new needle-free Covid-19 vaccine that could give ‘wide-ranging protection’ against variants and future coronaviruses.

The University of Southampton has developed the new vaccine which uses a jet of air to push it through the skin rather than a needle.

Saul Faust, clinical chief investigator and director of the NIHR Southampton Clinical Research Facility, said: ‘This isn’t simply ‘yet another’ coronavirus vaccine as it has both Covid-19 variants and future coronaviruses in its sights.

‘This technology could give wide-ranging protection to huge numbers of people worldwide.’

While most existing Covid-19 vaccines use the sequence of the RNA for the spike protein from the first samples of the virus found in January 2020, the DIOSvax technology used for the new vaccine aims to predict how the virus could mutate, allowing it to target emerging variants.

Professor Jonathan Heeney, at the University of Cambridge who developed the vaccine with research company DIOSynVax, said: ‘As new variants emerge and immunity begins to wane we need newer technologies.

‘It’s vital that we continue to develop new generation vaccine candidates ready to help keep us safe from the next virus threats.’

It uses a jet of air to push it through the skin rather than a needle. (Credits: PA)
‘Our vaccine is innovative, both in terms of the way it primes the immune system to respond with a broader protective response to coronaviruses, and how it is delivered.

‘Crucially, it is the first step towards a universal coronavirus vaccine we are developing, protecting us not just from Covid-19 variants but from future coronaviruses.’

Volunteers from the Southampton area who have had two doses of an existing vaccine but not a booster are being sought for the trial for which they will be paid £785.
 
twosips said:
Not going to lie, I personally feel a bit dispirited today reading about the vaccine passports including the third jab. I'm double-vaccinated, but I'm a little hesitant towards the third one for health reasons. Anyone who's read my posts in here knows I'm very pro-vaccine. I'm double-vaccinated, got mine as early as I could, and even helped others got their jabs too. I'm a tad nervous though about this third one however for the following reason. Frustratingly I've had on and off chest problems since my jabs. I even had a sore arm and leg for about two months after my first. I've been fobbed off by GPs absolutely loads and they've never got to the bottom of what is causing my chest problems. Just told me to come back if it got any worse. It was very, very uncomfortable at one point, to the extent that I went to the hospital. They did a blood test and x-ray and said things looked fine. They said they weren't sure what it was and just once again said to come back if it got worse after leaving me for ten hours in the waiting room until 6am...

It hung around a bit. I've spoken to some family health professionals and the only real reliable, accurate way to test for myocarditis/heart imflammation it seems is an echocardiagram or even a biopsy. There are plenty of good ways to indicate it, but nothing as reliable as those two as mild cases can easily be missed by other methods. Naturally given the state of the health care system currently there is zero chance i'm getting that done any time soon so it's sorta a great unknown. I've just got zero idea what is wrong with me, with GPs reluctant to do anything other than telling me to rest or try some gastro tablets.

It has slightly faded with time, admittedly, and I've been so busy with getting married and moving home that I've just not had time to chase GPs etc. They're exceptionally hard to get hold of at my local practice and they just won't see you in person either. It does however mildly flare up every now and then, like it did a couple of weeks ago. It concerns me, naturally. I'm recently married, bought a house and want to start a family with my wife. I find myself thinking 'what if im one of the unlucky ones who got a mild case of myocarditis?'. I'm a bloke in my mid 30s, which is a higher risk demographic for that side effect. I understand it's rare, but not so insanely rare that it's not worth considering. It could of course not be that, but of course it does concern me a bit, and given no doctors or GPs have ever gotten to the bottom of what's causing it, I'm a little hesitant. I don't think that's really unreasonable either?

I know most of you will just tell me to go and get jabbed anyway, because why wouldn't you? I'm a stranger really, so I guess it makes no difference to any of your lives...maybe I'm making a mountain out of a molehill. Still, not knowing what has caused my chest pains, with it coming on post jab, has made me want to just hang about a bit to make sure whatever is causing the pains has a chance to actually fuck off. I know all this reads and sounds like anxiety. I can only assure you it isn't. Life has genuinely been good over the past few months and i've really, really enjoyed the normality of it all. It feels very physiological and really isolated in the centre of my chest. It's worse when I lie down for example. I can't say i've been worried about anything overtly for some time now, so anxiety doesn't really add up in this situation.

Personally I'm not too concerned about Omicron, and I think that's not exactly without reason either given all we know about it so far. I can't help but feel that I want to just wait some time for my third jab. I don't know if that's wise or not, but it doesn't feel unwise either. It is a right sinker to know that the passport scheme would sorta look to exclude me if I waited around though...it feels like a punch to the gut. Torn between worrying about my own personal health but also not wanting to be excluded from all of this. Anyway, just venting a bit here. Would be curious to wonder what others would do in my situation.
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You'll have good immunity anyway because of your first two doses. You're not in an age range at risk of being hospitalised with COVID so the 'protect the NHS' element doesn't really come into it (unless you're a fat so and so - in which case, losing a bit of weight will do more good than any vaccine would).

If you're planning to go abroad the 3rd jab might a necessity for some countries, but in the UK you'll be able to use LFTs to go anywhere (which everyone should just do anyway). You can also wear masks to do your bit.

Based on all that, if I were you I wouldn't do anything for now (unless you're planning on going abroad soon). See how the next few months pan out. There are people who'll be desperate to be jabbed so let them go ahead of you in the queue.

I know you're saying it's not anxiety, but don't be complacent - men's mental health should be talked about far more openly (I get the impression that this definitely doesn't apply to you - but more generally, people might brush off anxiety and say they're fine to appear more macho).
 
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