Coronavirus (2021) thread

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Octavian said:
Absolutely my experience too and I’m a sample of 5 people I know infected.
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The Government has become fixated on case numbers (scary as they are) instead of the infection fatality and hospitalisation rates. It is clear that the vast majority of people suffer relatively minor illness (that was also the case with Alpha and Delta variants). But the isolation rules being brought in will increase the existing staff crisis in the NHS.
Of course the Government is right to be cautious but they have not provided any supporting evidence for their current policy. If they have data which backs up their strategy then why have they not shared it. They have dismissed the South African data without properly explaining why. I know the demographics are different in South Africa but it is surely more complex than that.
 
I take it once we've boosted all over 18s who take up the jab the restrictions will be lifted? Is that the plan..
 
Invisible Man's Bandage said:
I thought we'd struggle to get anywhere near a million a day but to get to this level so quickly is amazing. I reckon by mid January everyone who is eligible and wants one will have been jabbed.
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Stick with me, mate. Everything I post is beer reviewed.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
By the time Johnson has decided which restrictions he wants to introduce, Omicron will have passed through.
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This is a good point. The rate of transmission is so high at present that it will be through the whole country in a few weeks at which point the population who are not seriously affected will have huge immunity from jabs and getting Covid. They must have modelling which shows the precise impact on hospital beds. Why are they not sharing this?
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
The Government has become fixated on case numbers (scary as they are) instead of the infection fatality and hospitalisation rates.
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It’s because the case numbers are the best indication of the number of hospitalisation we will be facing in 2-3 weeks.

Everybody on both sides of the argument - most cases are mild vs we could be looking at 1000s of deaths - are guessing at the moment.
The truth is people don’t seem to know how thousands of new cases will play out in the middle of a European winter.
 
I think we can forget about modelling, what's happening in South Africa and so on as Omicron is clearly ripping through parts of the UK so we'll know soon enough how this translates into hospitalisations and deaths (the two things that really matter). By the end of next week it will be clear if it is more transmissible but far less deadly than Delta or not.

I imagine we can all agree that this is the preferable outcome.
 
RobMCFC said:
It’s because the case numbers are the best indication of the number of hospitalisation we will be facing in 2-3 weeks.

Everybody on both sides of the argument - most cases are mild vs we could be looking at 1000s of deaths - are guessing at the moment.
The truth is people don’t seem to know how thousands of new cases will play out in the middle of a European winter.
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Agreed. But something doesn't seem to add up. The experts here must have some details of how it will impact the UK. They know precise data for South Africa and can compare the difference between Delta and Omicron in South Africa (where hospitalisations are 10 times lower) The demographics are different in South Africa but they share with us a population with high immunity due to vaccination and natural infection.
I understand they are worried that a large number of infections in a short period could lead to a lot of people in hospital ( a low percentage of a very big number of cases). But they should know more detail by now. The press conferences have been vague and quite dismissive (especially Chris Whitty). What are they holding back?
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
Agreed. But something doesn't seem to add up. The experts here must have some details of how it will impact the UK. They know precise data for South Africa and can compare the difference between Delta and Omicron in South Africa (where hospitalisations are 10 times lower) The demographics are different in South Africa but they share with us a population with high immunity due to vaccination and natural infection.
I understand they are worried that a large number of infections in a short period could lead to a lot of people in hospital ( a low percentage of a very big number of cases). But they should know more detail by now. The press conferences have been vague and quite dismissive (especially Chris Whitty). What are they holding back?
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I guess we’ll find out sometime around 5th January.
 
splinter said:
I take it once we've boosted all over 18s who take up the jab the restrictions will be lifted? Is that the plan..
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Until there’s the Timbuktu variant which may or may not be more transmissible and may or may not be worse or may or may not be better and may or may not evade vaccines to an extent we may or may not know but we will know more in a few days unless we don’t so we may or may not have to introduce measures which may or may not work and may or may not be too late anyway unless they’re too early and may or may not have been needed in the first place.
 
splinter said:
I take it once we've boosted all over 18s who take up the jab the restrictions will be lifted? Is that the plan..
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wouldnt think so, travel restrictions are going to be here for a long long time as parts/most of the world are not running level with us, cant see the end of masks and covid passports either even if this strain is not severe they will keep them going for the expected new strain, as for your jabs well thats something were all going to have to decide, if your happy having this once a year or once every 6 months thats fine, me i wont be having another jab,the worlds economy is at breaking point,the Fed Reserve have basicaly been proping things up much the same throughout the world and it has to collapse at some point and Covid 19 is the perfect reason for a government to blame and get off the hook,were in a real mess as things stand now even if this virus disapeared overnight
 
RobMCFC said:
I guess we’ll find out sometime around 5th January.
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German experts are quite concerned. We know our higher median age demographics and about 3m unvaccinated over 60 are a problem.

As a reminder: 95% of German covid deaths were aged 60+

We will closely follow London hospitalization figures these days and I suppose the picture will become clearer there even before 5 January.

Get boostered everybody. It's for free. It's just a training session for your immune system and it helps your community.
Hospital staff will be grateful no doubt.
 
Serious question, christmas get together for 1 day, approx ages 1 over 85, 5 over 50, & 2 over 20s all fully jabbed up appart from the 2 over 20s with 2 jabs,
Safe for everyone or not? (not taking into account my sister in laws cooking)
 
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