Coronavirus (2021) thread

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BerkshireBlue said:
Yes generally people that don't smoke don't buy cigerattes (you know because they dont smoke) and don't require NHS treatment for smoking as they don’t smoke. I have no idea what your point is.
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If they don’t smoke they don’t pay the tax. As the debate was they were contributing to the NHS with their cigarette tax, look back through the thread.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Perhaps those admitted to hoapital arnt as ill like the data from SA indicated. Didnt the data indicate that people were in hospital for significantly less time compared to delta?
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They may be but these are mostly coming just from London over weekend (up 380) and North West (218) - the latter now accelerating fast. Midlands now shooting up too (up 175).The other regions are all going to go the same way over the next week or so and that is the concern. Sheer numbers all at once stressing the NHS when staff are themselves off isolating for 7 days in large numbers. Next few days will be crucial
 
The unvaxxed that find themselves needing serious hospital care are cashing out their tax paid to the NHS - if/when they return to full health thanks to the NHS then they can carry on being taxed and paying for their care again when back to work.

Edit - changed the word contribution/contribute as Gray seemed to think I was talking about NI when I was on about general taxation.
 
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Be interesting to see what the anti vax crowd do when Plaxovid soon becomes available as an oral anti viral that can be taken at home which the scientific community are citing as a potential game changer to the hospitalisation issue - UK government has put in an initial order of 250K at a cost of USD 570.00 a course.

Will an anti vaxxer who catches covid and starts to become ill suddenly question the chemical components of Plaxovid that has also been fast tracked to market? No, they will just conveniently re-position the dial of their moral compass from selfish twat to self preservation and will neck their pills as soon as they can.
 
Healdplace said:
They may be but these are mostly coming just from London over weekend (up 380) and North West (218) - the latter now accelerating fast. Midlands now shooting up too (up 175).The other regions are all going to go the same way over the next week or so and that is the concern. Sheer numbers allat once stressing the NHS when staff are themselves off isolating for 7 days in large numbers. Next few days will be crucial
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Ive just checked, the SA data indicated that with Omicron you were 80% less likely to be admitted to hospital and if you were admitted with Omicron you were 70% less likely to develop severe disease. Perhaps its these figures that the government are relying on?
 
Gray said:
If they don’t smoke they don’t pay the tax. As the debate was they were contributing to the NHS with their cigarette tax, look back through the thread.
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Mate I think you're getting your wires crossed, what he's saying is that smokers and drinkers more than pay for any treatment that they may or may not need from the nhs by the amount of tax they pay on those goods. When you say they, are you talking about anti vaxers?
 
Gogootz said:
The unvaxxed that find themselves needing serious hospital care are cashing out their contributions to the NHS - if/when they return to full health thanks to the NHS then they can carry on contributing and paying for their care again when back to work.
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You do realise that National Insurance contributions are not just for the NHS don’t you.
 
AlgarveBlu said:
Be interesting to see what the anti vax crowd do when Plaxovid soon becomes available as an oral anti viral that can be taken at home which the scientific community are citing as a potential game changer to the hospitalisation issue - UK government has put in an initial order of 250K at a cost of USD 570.00 a course.

Will an anti vaxxer who catches covid and starts to become ill suddenly question the chemical components of Plaxovid that has also been fast tracked to market? No, they will just conveniently re-position the dial of their moral compass from selfish twat to self preservation and will neck their pills as soon as they can.
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yep, just like they do when when they are admitted to hospital with Covid. No sympathy im affraid. These selfish people are prolonging this pandemic longer than needs be its that simple.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
The no brigade always come up with this argument but forget that simple point. They also forget that when Covid does bring the NHS to a halt it also does enormous damage to the country. When you are vaccinated you are 70% less likely to pass it on to others. Smoking and obesity isnt contagious. Its a very spurious argument that just doesnt stand up.

The anti vax brgade beg for the vaccine when brought on to the covid wards seeiously ill. Too late by then.

Sadly our government isnt strong enough to implement this. We can only hope that vaccine passports will be become the norm and the idiots refusing the vaccine will become more and more excluded from society and travelling.
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They aren’t strong enough to implement it, but even if they did I’m pretty sure hospital staff. would refuse to implement it.
Refusing the seriously ill possibly dying people at the hospital goes against everything they are trained for. Whatever bad choices they may have made.
 
blueparrot said:
They aren’t strong enough to implement it, but even if they did I’m pretty sure hospital staff. would refuse to implement it.
Refusing the seriously ill possibly dying people at the hospital goes against everything they are trained for. Whatever bad choices they may have made.
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True, i agree its very very unlikley to be implemented.
 
artfuldodger said:
www.bbc.co.uk

No new Covid rules in England before new year - Javid

The health secretary's comments come as England reported a record 113,628 cases on Christmas Day.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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Good.
If we can cope with it now then all the better.
The predicted case graphs in May thru August look horrible if we reduce current case rates. mRNA vaccine Immunity wanes and the virus spreads and gets a larger population susceptible to catch it which gives it a higher population to mutate in.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Ive just checked, the SA data indicated that with Omicron you were 80% less likely to be admitted to hospital and if you were admitted with Omicron you were 70% less likely to develop severe disease. Perhaps its these figures that the government are relying on?
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Well 281 patients were added to the 945 in the North West in just the past 24 hours.

That kind of daily level is going to create a numbers problem if it continues whether Omicron or Delta.

North West is set to overtake London now it seems though Midlands are rising fast too. And two weeks on London is still admitting 215 more than discharged today.

So these are all going to tot up fast.

Christmas Day had a recent record of 1281 admissions and you would not expect anyone not very ill to be going in on that day.

Looking at todays patients the admssions today (which are 48 hours behind) are going to be much higher and 2000 a day looks inevitable any day. We had no 1000 admissions for ages until a week or so ago.

As I said we have to watch these numbers very closely now over coming daya as it is hard to see them getting anything but worse.

But I hope your optimism proves correct.
 
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Healdplace said:
They may be but these are mostly coming just from London over weekend (up 380) and North West (218) - the latter now accelerating fast. Midlands now shooting up too (up 175).The other regions are all going to go the same way over the next week or so and that is the concern. Sheer numbers all at once stressing the NHS when staff are themselves off isolating for 7 days in large numbers. Next few days will be crucial
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Yeah and how many are unvaccinated and how many just happened to test positive after beeng admitted for something else.
We dont know because they don't publish the data . It is beyond me as to why not.
 
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Healdplace said:
Bit surprised at no action seeing the hospital numbers over Christmas.

They have escalated dramatically and North West probably had the worst of it

England were 7366 patients Christmas Eve FELL to 7166 Christmas Day, Rose to 7536 Boxing Day and absoloutely went through the roof today adding 948 in 24 hours to 8474 today.

Big rises in most places but especially in London and North West. North West is now rising fast as London was last week and tracking in the same way.

Guess they are hoping this was a large daily one off due to the holidays and it may settle tomorrow. As it mght.

If it carries on at these numbers though things will change infortunately.

1281 - highest in months - were admitted ON Chrismas day.

Todays will probably eclipse that but admissions are 48 hours behind.
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You can't read into these too much as they don't distinguish between those with Covid and those being treated for Covid. We'll see those numbers on Thursday when the primary diagnosis supplement is updated.
 
Bluewonder said:
You can't read into these too much as they don't distinguish between those with Covid and those being treated for Covid. We'll see those numbers on Thursday when the primary diagnosis supplement is updated.
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I am not reading anything into them other than the sheer numbers escalating fast at a time when NHS staff are off in record numbers ill or self isolating themselves.

That is all that really matters about these numbers right now if they keep tracking up like this.

How they stretch resources at the peak time for NHS needs for all sorts of things bar Covid.
 
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