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spot on county cricket is the reason but also central contracts

the 4 day game needs a revamp and free to air tv need to get involved and promote the game
make it free to get in and get schools involved. maybe day and night county cricket with a point system for every day and 90 overs maximum per innings. also bonus points from runs and wickets like 400 runs or 10 wickets in a day
The local BBC radio stations do a good job of covering the Championship games, and I can follow Surrey‘s home games either on the site or via YouTube, but that is limited exposure. The lack of national,coverage is a concern. Only seems to make the national news when the season starts or when the Championship is won.

Agree that more should be done to encourage youngsters to attend, but other facilities should also be built into the existing stadia to make them more attractive to the wider community.
 
went downhill when they started using the phrase "batters" - the chippy puts batter on yer fish - cricket features batsmen or batswomen
 
We've got to tear up the domestic calendar, get rid the ridiculous Hundred and have a T20 competition, with the main focus on 4-day cricket.
Central contracted players shouldn't be playing IPL, Big Bash etc... But we need to incentivise them to play Test Cricket, yes even higher wages if they deliver the goods.
What we have done is create a load of T20 players with little or no technique.
It's like winning the longest drive competition at golf whilst the others are winning majors!
 
A ten minute interview with Rob Key in which he raises some pertinent questions and makes some really good points. Especially like his question about why so many players come in and start well but then drastically fall away: what is it in the English Test set up that allows this to happen?
 
England need to rip up the current template as it’s clearly a shambles.
Go back to the Brearley days and pick the best Captain out there first.
Give the bloody thing to Will Rhodes at Warwickshire.
Knowing the ECB they’ll give it to Warwick Davis.
They picked the wrong batsman at that club with Sibley too. Give Sam Hain a good look at it.
Foakes has to play - best keeper out there.
I’ll continue this but so far
Rhodes -capt
Hain
Root
Stokes
Foakes
Robinson.
Tom Abell
James Bracey
Ollie Pope - another chance.
 
Boom yes agreed.
Ignore the short term sticking plaster or waiting for some Saffer to qualify.

it the only way you get better by building a team that can work together and grow together
we must have 20 to 30 very good young players and get them in right now. forget the results and just enjoy watching them learn test cricket. how bad can it be after watching this shower of shit
 
The local BBC radio stations do a good job of covering the Championship games, and I can follow Surrey‘s home games either on the site or via YouTube, but that is limited exposure. The lack of national,coverage is a concern. Only seems to make the national news when the season starts or when the Championship is won.

Agree that more should be done to encourage youngsters to attend, but other facilities should also be built into the existing stadia to make them more attractive to the wider community.
2bh, yeah, but equally target the pensioners again "You've been jabbed, come spend the day out at the cricket" do community deals etc and get the county game back to being a social day for the old fogeys. They're the ones with all day free to watch and the generation who enjoy proper cricket.

Short of paying for the likes of Kohli to come and play and putting it free-to-air and simulcast on Amazon or Youtube, I don't know how you make the 4 day game interesting to kids.
 
The local BBC radio stations do a good job of covering the Championship games, and I can follow Surrey‘s home games either on the site or via YouTube, but that is limited exposure. The lack of national,coverage is a concern. Only seems to make the national news when the season starts or when the Championship is won.

Agree that more should be done to encourage youngsters to attend, but other facilities should also be built into the existing stadia to make them more attractive to the wider community.

spot on the more idea's the better it can get. yes some may not work but you never know to you try
day and night with the pink ball would be a good shout. also a new points system with bonus points for runs and wickets in a day

maybe schools could have days at the cricket and work with the kids in the stands and quick cricket on the pitch
 
A ten minute interview with Rob Key in which he raises some pertinent questions and makes some really good points. Especially like his question about why so many players come in and start well but then drastically fall away: what is it in the English Test set up that allows this to happen?

Shit coaching or to much of it once in the England set up! With Silverwood making the players sit down like school kids to watch all there mistakes is 3rd rate coaching! You look at positives with players even if it a small thing!

Andy Murray sacked a coach because he doesn’t like negativity around him.

Pep doesn’t like players moping about in training and Pep is the best coach/manager ever!

Picking out pointing out negativity in any sports player brings negativity into his mind.
 
Buttler was central contracted and not played in 2016 but Bairstow and Ballance at Yorks were not and picked.

The test team improved no end from introducing central contracts but they have never stopped the ECB picking players in form regardless of nationality.

its has ?
the thing is one form of cricket like test cricket has there own central contracts and ODI have there own as well.
all 3 cross over meaning you get a bigger bunch of players that you select from but all on central contacts
 
Now we are lumbered with The 100 competition for the next few years, it'll mean white ball cricket overlaod The ECB have something to answer for selling out to"Quick Cricket", Red ball being forgotten about until theres an Ashes . It'll be five or six years before we are able to progress on the Test match stage
 
2bh, yeah, but equally target the pensioners again "You've been jabbed, come spend the day out at the cricket" do community deals etc and get the county game back to being a social day for the old fogeys. They're the ones with all day free to watch and the generation who enjoy proper cricket.

Short of paying for the likes of Kohli to come and play and putting it free-to-air and simulcast on Amazon or Youtube, I don't know how you make the 4 day game interesting to kids.
Absolutely. It can happen but they need to be brave and rethink their model; stop relying on more of the same. They always seem to want to have narrow audience. So for Test matches they appeal to traditionalists or a narrow male demographic that wants to come and drink, or for the T20/Hundred family evenings. Few people are going to come and spend all four days at a County Championship game, but if you bolt on services/membership for things that people use (crèches/nurseries/gyms/cafes/health clinics) you’re more likely to attract a wider audience. Couple that with making grounds more WFH friendly, and they could make them the heart of the community.
 
Shit coaching or to much of it once in the England set up! With Silverwood making the players sit down like school kids to watch all there mistakes is 3rd rate coaching! You look at positives with players even if it a small thing!

Andy Murray sacked a coach because he doesn’t like negativity around him.

Pep doesn’t like players moping about in training and Pep is the best coach/manager ever!

Picking out pointing out negativity in any sports player brings negativity into his mind.
It’s rare for people in the media, especially cricket, to criticise others, but watching Key did make me think that Giles and Silverwood will be carrying the can. I don’t think they alone should be made the scapegoats, however. There’s plenty blame to go round.
 
Shit coaching or to much of it once in the England set up! With Silverwood making the players sit down like school kids to watch all there mistakes is 3rd rate coaching! You look at positives with players even if it a small thing!

Andy Murray sacked a coach because he doesn’t like negativity around him.

Pep doesn’t like players moping about in training and Pep is the best coach/manager ever!

Picking out pointing out negativity in any sports player brings negativity into his mind.
there has to be a balance, you can't keep doing what you always do as you'll keep getting what you always get
if there is an error in technique which the top order clearly have then you have to show them where they are going wrong and correct the error
but praise where its due
we are not playing enough red ball cricket at the right times domestically
 
its has ?
the thing is one form of cricket like test cricket has there own central contracts and ODI have there own as well.
all 3 cross over meaning you get a bigger bunch of players that you select from but all on central contacts
They award incremental but these can be done on the spot like for any player, e.g. Pattinson for 1 game.
 
Surely this is the outcome everyone expected ( ok maybe not an innings defeat to a side scoring below 300) but is being 3-0 down on the way to another whitewash that much of a surprise?
With the exception of 1 series we've been routinely hammered down under for the last 30 years with a whole host of scores below 200 featuring much better batting line-ups than this current crop. A whole host of top names have had their techniques and mental fortitude questioned after a mauling in Australia. This is nothing new.
Having said all that it does feel like we've reached the bottom of the barrel and the reality is we've been on this downward spiral since the Strauss/Flower years and in particular since the 13/14 whitewash under Cook. Take the openers for example. In the 7 years after Strauss required we tried a ridiculous number of players to partner Cook before he packed in. There's even a sporcle quiz to see if you can name them all, from memory I think there was 18. 3 years on from Cook we are still looking for 2.
You can apply that to every part of the team. Aside from Root no other middle order batsman has took the spots left by Bell Pietersen Trott. Since Prior we have gone backwards and forwards between Bairstow and Buttler with Foakes getting the occasional look in and are still no closer. The spin cupboard is bare but again we persevered with the idea that Moeen would fill the void left by Swann for far too long. Other spinners have come and gone but have spent too much time carrying drinks because they cannot be trusted to at least tie an end down and apply pressure.
The pace attack has been carried by Broad and Anderson and between them they have kept us competitive and papered over a lot of cracks but they have suffered, particularly overseas from a genuine pace option to complement them. A couple of years ago with Wood, Archer and Stone it looked like we might have genuine options for this tour but Archer seems permanently injured, Stone has suffered another stress fracture to his back and Wood, as much as I like him, has managed 23 tests in 6 years. When the 2 legends retire there will be another drop off in quality.

Going foward I'm not buying this idea that getting rid of Root as captain is some sort of magic bullet. I get the idea that he is too conservative at times but a captain is only as good as the team around him and I doubt even Mike Brearley in his prime would overcome the deep rooted problems in this side. There is also a lack of a viable alternative within the current set up aside from Stokes who isn't a candidate for me given the Botham/Flintoff precedents. I see James Vince being touted as the man for the job and maybe if he had took his chance as a Test player or not been discarded too early (take your pick) he or any player who had cemented a place in the top 6 could be seen a natural successor. The idea that bringing in a player from the cold after 3 years with the task of establishing himself as a Test batsman while simultaneously being a game changing captain is riidiculous. That's not even getting into the fact that these days he's doing well for himself as a gun for hire around the various franchise leagues.

Root is certainly culpable as he's part of the 2 man selection committee along with Silverwood who for my money should be the first to go along with Giles, who holds the title of director of cricket but has abdicated all responsibility for selection downwards. Never been keen on Silverwood since his interview after we won in S.A. when he informed us he was taking the team in a new direction based on big 1st innings runs delivered in the style of someone who thought he was reinventing the wheel.

So yeah heads need to roll, principally Silverwood and Giles but I can't get away from the fact that selection issues alone can't explain this debacle and the Root of the problem lies further up the food chain with the whole structure of the domestic game. Too much power amongst the counties and frankly too many of them together with the ECB and their obsession with the bottom line meaning the vast majority of 1st class cricket is played outside the high summer window.
Never mind the long run up I feel like I've done 10 overs straight into the wind ...... had to get it off my chest
 
Surely this is the outcome everyone expected ( ok maybe not an innings defeat to a side scoring below 300) but is being 3-0 down on the way to another whitewash that much of a surprise?
With the exception of 1 series we've been routinely hammered down under for the last 30 years with a whole host of scores below 200 featuring much better batting line-ups than this current crop. A whole host of top names have had their techniques and mental fortitude questioned after a mauling in Australia. This is nothing new.
Having said all that it does feel like we've reached the bottom of the barrel and the reality is we've been on this downward spiral since the Strauss/Flower years and in particular since the 13/14 whitewash under Cook. Take the openers for example. In the 7 years after Strauss required we tried a ridiculous number of players to partner Cook before he packed in. There's even a sporcle quiz to see if you can name them all, from memory I think there was 18. 3 years on from Cook we are still looking for 2.
You can apply that to every part of the team. Aside from Root no other middle order batsman has took the spots left by Bell Pietersen Trott. Since Prior we have gone backwards and forwards between Bairstow and Buttler with Foakes getting the occasional look in and are still no closer. The spin cupboard is bare but again we persevered with the idea that Moeen would fill the void left by Swann for far too long. Other spinners have come and gone but have spent too much time carrying drinks because they cannot be trusted to at least tie an end down and apply pressure.
The pace attack has been carried by Broad and Anderson and between them they have kept us competitive and papered over a lot of cracks but they have suffered, particularly overseas from a genuine pace option to complement them. A couple of years ago with Wood, Archer and Stone it looked like we might have genuine options for this tour but Archer seems permanently injured, Stone has suffered another stress fracture to his back and Wood, as much as I like him, has managed 23 tests in 6 years. When the 2 legends retire there will be another drop off in quality.

Going foward I'm not buying this idea that getting rid of Root as captain is some sort of magic bullet. I get the idea that he is too conservative at times but a captain is only as good as the team around him and I doubt even Mike Brearley in his prime would overcome the deep rooted problems in this side. There is also a lack of a viable alternative within the current set up aside from Stokes who isn't a candidate for me given the Botham/Flintoff precedents. I see James Vince being touted as the man for the job and maybe if he had took his chance as a Test player or not been discarded too early (take your pick) he or any player who had cemented a place in the top 6 could be seen a natural successor. The idea that bringing in a player from the cold after 3 years with the task of establishing himself as a Test batsman while simultaneously being a game changing captain is riidiculous. That's not even getting into the fact that these days he's doing well for himself as a gun for hire around the various franchise leagues.

Root is certainly culpable as he's part of the 2 man selection committee along with Silverwood who for my money should be the first to go along with Giles, who holds the title of director of cricket but has abdicated all responsibility for selection downwards. Never been keen on Silverwood since his interview after we won in S.A. when he informed us he was taking the team in a new direction based on big 1st innings runs delivered in the style of someone who thought he was reinventing the wheel.

So yeah heads need to roll, principally Silverwood and Giles but I can't get away from the fact that selection issues alone can't explain this debacle and the Root of the problem lies further up the food chain with the whole structure of the domestic game. Too much power amongst the counties and frankly too many of them together with the ECB and their obsession with the bottom line meaning the vast majority of 1st class cricket is played outside the high summer window.
Never mind the long run up I feel like I've done 10 overs straight into the wind ...... had to get it off my chest

we knew this was going to happen when nothing changed after 17/18 ashes down under
anderson broad and part time spinner was england make up in the ashes in 2017/18 and really nothing much as changed in 2021/22 tour

the system has been wrong for years and years and it will still be wrong when we tour australia again in 4 years time. we just don't have the bottle to stand up and challenge the ECB ? we make so much noise as pundit and fans and ex-players but the truth is we all still go and watch test cricket in the summer

i called for BIG changes years ago and even a break away governing body being setup by people that love test cricket and want change ? the old farts on the board of the ECB don't understand modern cricket and they are stuck in the 1960s pipe and slippers and a glass of wine sat in the members end at lords

england are a laughing stock at test cricket and lets make no bones about it we are miles and miles away from the top 4 or 5 teams and even worst away from england summers

how can a team only make 267 and win the test and not have to bat again at test level ??
england are that bad we lost by a innings and 14 runs (shocking)
 
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