Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Mike D]

If you have your jabs there’s an absolutely minuscule chance of anything bad happening to you. If you’re in ill health as matter of course I’d question what you were doing going to a New Year’s Eve party anyway. Time for people to get a fucking grip.

Whats the grip when you pass it on to someone who else who has underlying health conditions and dies?

 

[Toney’s bookie]

Whats the grip when you pass it on to someone who else who has underlying health conditions and dies?

That scenario will NEVER GO AWAY I'm afraid. It has always been the case with flu, for example. The quicker people make peace with this the better as life is not nil risk - never has been and never will be.

 

[i kne albert davy]

Deaths aren’t “piling up” though are they.

183000 ‘cases’ yesterday.

57 deaths.

We need to just move on with our lives.

The 57 excepted I suppose.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Looks like we are going to get the best possible outcome with omicron ie bad but not catastrophic.

Seems like the combination of prior immunity and intrinsically less severe illness is reducing hospitalisation by ~70% (still with large uncertainty) and now starting to get quantification of shorter hospital stays and less need for intrusive treatment too.

On top of this, it's also looking likely now that omicron is going to give good protection vs delta infection, which wasn't a given either, and is extremely good news if it pans out.

We'll see now how bad it's going to get; it seems very likely admissions will peak below last Jan and totals lower again.

Hard to know when the cases peak will be as testing capacity looks to be limiting case numbers, but London maybe about now, rest of the country in the next couple of weeks? Hospital peaks perhaps mid-late Jan??

We've been very, very lucky; there's no intrinsic reason this variant should have been less severe. It's pure chance.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

The 57 excepted I suppose.

57 is a gross undercount due to Christmas reporting. The number today will be far higher, but a corresponding over count.

 

[Healdplace]

The 57 excepted I suppose.

There were 365 from the past 6 days reported today in England hospitals alone. It will be more as registrars were closed for most of that.

Gov UK has announced a delay until 7.30 at least before releasing data today owing to a delay in England deaths.

They cannot mean hospital deaths as that 365 number (59 in North West) was released hours ago. So they must mean out of hospital deaths on top of that.

 

[metalblue]

you might be, the people I've been replying to have been referring to "unvaccinated", which includes those who can't have one so have no choice but to rely on the NHS and everyone else getting jabbed.

Problem is on here everyone gets lumped into one pot so it's easier to attack with empty soundbites, so I've just done likewise to show how silly it is. People wanting people to not get NHS treatment and die because they've not been jabbed are ludicrous, we can take that logic to the nth degree and end up with the same people being the ones we kill off.

People have chosen not to go with the norm for centuries - those in an oppressive, undemocratic, uncivilised society got killed or persecuted for it. Those who lived in a civilised society were accepted despite their views being against scientific and social norms. We can make that association with many other things that don't stand up but have been accepted in recent times.

I see.

I do agree - and have said before on these very hallowed pages - that we can’t refuse treatment to anyone based on their life choices. It’s a slippery slope.

However that is not the same as accepting that peoples beliefs should be able to exempt them from performing actions for the greater good of society. Given society is a group of individuals then the greater good is simply a measure of what the majority of those individuals expect of you. If an individual doesn’t agree with the majority of that group of individuals then they are free to go and setup a new society somewhere else.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Oh, and for those excitedly posting media reports of most admissions being "with" rather than "for" covid.

That's bollocks, alas. Ask yourselves why you trust those outlets.

 

[i kne albert davy]

57 is a gross undercount due to Christmas reporting. The number today will be far higher, but a corresponding over count.

Still I suppose life must go on except for those, I don't think this current variants been here long enough for it to be classed in the sniffle cold group just yet. A mate of mine has it been double jabbed and boosted still feels like shit and had Christmas wrecked with it. :-(

 

[Kinkladze 1]

Whats the grip when you pass it on to someone who else who has underlying health conditions and dies?

Isn’t the person with underlying health conditions being rather reckless by not being vaccinated and also attending parties? That’s on them. Not me. You can’t teach stupid.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Still I suppose life must go on except for those, I don't think this current variants been here long enough for it to be classed in the sniffle cold group just yet. A mate of mine has it been double jabbed and boosted still feels like shit and had Christmas wrecked with it. :-(

It's most definitely not in the "sniffle cold" group. That's wishful thinking, pure and simple.

But it is definitely less severe than delta, and that's good news for sure. It could easily have been worse.

 

[splinter]

Looks like we are going to get the best possible outcome with omicron ie bad but not catastrophic.

Seems like the combination of prior immunity and intrinsically less severe illness is reducing hospitalisation by ~70% (still with large uncertainty) and now starting to get quantification of shorter hospital stays and less need for intrusive treatment too.

On top of this, it's also looking likely now that omicron is going to give good protection vs delta infection, which wasn't a given either, and is extremely good news if it pans out.

We'll see now how bad it's going to get; it seems very likely admissions will peak below last Jan and totals lower again.

Hard to know when the cases peak will be as testing capacity looks to be limiting case numbers, but London maybe about now, rest of the country in the next couple of weeks? Hospital peaks perhaps mid-late Jan??

We've been very, very lucky; there's no intrinsic reason this variant should have been less severe. It's pure chance.

Jesus saves..can I get an amen ;)

 

[Rammy Blue]

It's most definitely not in the "sniffle cold" group. That's wishful thinking, pure and simple.

But it is definitely less severe than delta, and that's good news for sure. It could easily have been worse.

Well it’s not just wishful thinking though, as for some people of which I include myself it was nothing more than a sniffle. I know a few others locally for whom it’s been no more than that either, but that said I also know a few who have felt like shit for a few days.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Well it’s not just wishful thinking though, as for some people of which I include myself it was nothing more than a sniffle. I know a few others locally for whom it’s been no more than that either, but that said I also know a few who have felt like shit for a few days.

Absolutely, one of the defining characteristics of COVID seems to be its extreme variability in symptoms.

 

[Healdplace]

Roubaix, North West overtook London as the highest region yesterday for the first time. London has been very flat over Christmas. The combined Midlands region is up with the North West now too, Need to see London fall though as it has been just over 20K a day all week as Midlands and North West have risen steadily.

 

[Healdplace]

Over 2000 admissions reported in England for first time in months today (from Tuesday).

North West admissions top 300 for first time in months too but London, Midlands and Yorkshire all higher than NW now too,

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Looks like we are going to get the best possible outcome with omicron ie bad but not catastrophic.

Seems like the combination of prior immunity and intrinsically less severe illness is reducing hospitalisation by ~70% (still with large uncertainty) and now starting to get quantification of shorter hospital stays and less need for intrusive treatment too.

On top of this, it's also looking likely now that omicron is going to give good protection vs delta infection, which wasn't a given either, and is extremely good news if it pans out.

We'll see now how bad it's going to get; it seems very likely admissions will peak below last Jan and totals lower again.

Hard to know when the cases peak will be as testing capacity looks to be limiting case numbers, but London maybe about now, rest of the country in the next couple of weeks? Hospital peaks perhaps mid-late Jan??

We've been very, very lucky; there's no intrinsic reason this variant should have been less severe. It's pure chance.

So we're good then. A positive post, even for you.

A calculated decision was made based on the available data and indications from South Africa which proved to be reliable. Better than stealing Christmas and New Year through panicking and power trips.

 

[Healdplace]

11,452 in hospital in England - up 990 today. Risen by 1000 a day for the last 4 days from 7536 on Boxing Day.

North West up 178 today to 1708. Up 716 on last Thursday, The regions above all up by by similar numbers today. London the least. Yorkshire the most.

 

[Octavian]

It's most definitely not in the "sniffle cold" group. That's wishful thinking, pure and simple.

But it is definitely less severe than delta, and that's good news for sure. It could easily have been worse.

It’s less deadly than the flu but significantly more than a common cold.

Still, the amount dying of this virus continue to shrink and if we go the same way as SA, this winter will be hugely better than last years.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Some rambling thoughts about lessons from 2021, and what might be coming for 2022.

1. Vaccination has transformed things for the better in UK and developed world. We've failed the developing world and need to sort that with the utmost urgency.
2. Variants (delta, omicron) can change things extremely rapidly.
3. Vaccination isn't enough on it's own. It doesn't provide sufficient, durable protection to control major outbreaks. These are very likely to come, and we need to avoid lockdowns in response, and any significant restrictions if at all possible.
4. We need more routine health care and social care capacity so we can cope with peaks (this was also true pre-covid for general winter pressure)
5. We have many other weapons: ventilation, air filtration, homeworking, support for isolation, mask wearing etc. We need a proper strategy on implementing these.
6. We need an emergency response plan for new variants. That should include stockpiling antivirals, which now look very, very promising.
7. We should immediately send anyone comparing covid responses to Nazism to a re-education camp North East of Yekaterinburg.

All of this requires a huge amount of cash. But far less than not doing it.