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A very good friend of mine has a mother who has become a conspiracy theorist about all of this. His mum is incredibly successful. She has literally been awarded an MBE and an OBE. She doesn't lack intelligence. Far from it. Yet she's fallen down the Facebook rabbit hole. Why? It certainly isn't a lack of intelligence. It's her mental health. Shot to pieces. I guess my point is that not everyone who falls for this is a bad or unintelligent person. I've met her loads before all of this kicked off and she's lovely. She's just fallen off a cliff from what I can gather. We could do worse than remembering that lots of people handle things badly at times, but it doesn't make them villains
 
twosips said:
A very good friend of mine has a mother who has become a conspiracy theorist about all of this. His mum is incredibly successful. She has literally been awarded an MBE and an OBE. She doesn't lack intelligence. Far from it. Yet she's fallen down the Facebook rabbit hole. Why? It certainly isn't a lack of intelligence. It's her mental health. Shot to pieces. I guess my point is that not everyone who falls for this is a bad or unintelligent person. I've met her loads before all of this kicked off and she's lovely. She's just fallen off a cliff from what I can gather. We could do worse than remembering that lots of people handle things badly at times, but it doesn't make them villains
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Very true.
This shitty situation has divided so many friends, families and communities.
I've a few crackpot mates that harp on and on about not conforming blah blah blah but just leave them to it.
Live and let live.
(2 metres apart of course)
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
The last 2 years have been predicated on ‘saving the NHS‘. It now has a waiting list that will take years to clear so will be deemed to be ‘failing’. It’s got a workforce that is absolutely knackered and are leaving in droves and you don’t think that makes it ‘ripe for reform’? On a positive note, I see that Johnson is turning an unassailable 2 term (minimum) majority into a losing position much quicker than I’d hoped, so maybe we’re ok for the foreseeable.

As for your ’anti-vax fucks’ rant, you really can’t be serious? If you think that the people in the uk who aren’t vaccinated are all Piers Corbin wannabbees you’re very much mistaken, as I’m sure a man as worldly and knowledgeable as you knows.
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You say NHS staff are leaving in droves, but the NHS staff numbers are 2.5% higher (around 30,000 more staff) than the year before.
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NHS Workforce Statistics - July 2021 (Including selected provisional statistics for August 2021) - NHS England Digital

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Granted, it’s claimed we will need another million by the end of the decade, but it’s not in as bad a shape numbers-wise as people make out.
 
Hoping all who had covid have now recovered and are well.

Hope that after Jan/feb and possibly March that we start to see the end of this.
 
The mismatch between demand and capacity has started. This Trusts struggled with workforce Capacity during my time in Health.

 
Psychedelic Casual said:
You say NHS staff are leaving in droves, but the NHS staff numbers are 2.5% higher (around 30,000 more staff) than the year before.
digital.nhs.uk

NHS Workforce Statistics - July 2021 (Including selected provisional statistics for August 2021) - NHS England Digital

We’re the national information and technology partner to the health and social care system using digital technology to transform the NHS and social care
digital.nhs.uk digital.nhs.uk

Granted, it’s claimed we will need another million by the end of the decade, but it’s not in as bad a shape numbers-wise as people make out.
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It was anticipated that that there would be an exodus of NHS workers from the EU following Brexit but this didn’t happen. Partly because the workers skills were valued, both in terms of residency rights and how employers valued staff.

increases in staff numbers are often offset by more flexible working / reduced hours but I don’t know whether that’s the case at the moment as I’m a bit out touch.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
It’s a pretty complex series of answers, to be fair and, as with most serious issues, cannot be be solved by saying ‘vaccinated good, not vaccinated bad’.

Generally, the poorer and less well educated you are, the more likely you will be ‘vaccine hesitant‘. That and ethnicity are the major drivers for it. Being Black and being poor (don’t trust vaccines) makes you highly unlikely to take the vaccine, as does being from a South Asian heritage (Pakistan and Bangladesh) and/or identifying as Muslim (far more worried about vaccine side effects).
Another factor is sex, in that women are more likely to be vaccine hesitant and that’s likely wrapped up in worries about fertility and pregnancy.

This follows a historical trend in the UK of lower uptake of pneumococcal, influenza, rotavirus, and shingles vaccines among socioeconomically disadvantaged individuals and ethnic minorities.

Stated causes of low confidence is Covid vaccines are:
  • Socioeconomic and healthcare inequalities and inequities
  • Structural racism and previously unethical research involving some ethnic minority groups
  • Social disadvantages including lower levels of education and poor access to accurate information
  • Lack of effective public health messages or targeted campaigns
  • Barriers to access, including vaccine delivery time, location, and cost related to socioeconomic inequalities and marginalisation

Stated reasons for not taking up the offer of vaccination are:

  • Concerns about long term effects, side effects, and unknown future effects on health
  • Previous side effects to other routine vaccines such as influenza vaccine
  • Low confidence in vaccines, including their importance, safety, and efficacy
  • Lack of trust in the manufacturing and country of production of vaccines, vaccine technology, the pharmaceutical industry, government, and public health bodies
  • Concerns about the speed of development of covid-19 vaccines
  • Concerns about vaccines’ incompatibility with religious beliefs
  • Previously negative experiences of healthcare, including racial discrimination
  • Lower risk and perception of lower risk of covid-19 (especially among younger age groups)
  • Lack of communication from trusted providers and community leaders
  • Practical concerns such as inconvenient vaccine delivery time and location
  • Not offered vaccine because of inaccurate patient contact information
  • Apprehensions surrounding fertility, pregnancy, and breastfeeding
  • Belief in Social Media as a source of news, such as covid-19 not being real, or that vaccines modify DNA
  • Recent covid-19 infection
What I would say though, is that Andrew Wakefield has a lot more to answer for than idiots like Corbin and I hope he struggles to sleep at night (although I very much doubt it).
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  • Concerns about long term effects, side effects, and unknown future effects on health ( ie being selfish and not thinking of others)
  • Previous side effects to other routine vaccines such as influenza vaccine ( ie being selfish and not thinking of others)
  • Low confidence in vaccines, including their importance, safety, and efficacy ( ie being selfish and not thinking of others)
  • Lack of trust in the manufacturing and country of production of vaccines, vaccine technology, the pharmaceutical industry, government, and public health bodies ( ie being selfish and not thinking of others)
  • Concerns about the speed of development of covid-19 vaccines ( ie being selfish and not thinking of others)
  • Concerns about vaccines’ incompatibility with religious beliefs ( ie being selfish and not thinking of others)
  • Previously negative experiences of healthcare, including racial discrimination ( ie being selfish and not thinking of others)
  • Lower risk and perception of lower risk of covid-19 (especially among younger age groups) ( ie being selfish and not thinking of others)
  • Lack of communication from trusted providers and community leaders (bollocks)
  • Practical concerns such as inconvenient vaccine delivery time and location ( ie being selfish and not thinking of others)
  • Not offered vaccine because of inaccurate patient contact information (bollocks)
  • Apprehensions surrounding fertility, pregnancy, and breastfeeding ( ie being selfish and not thinking of others)
  • Belief in Social Media as a source of news, such as covid-19 not being real, or that vaccines modify DNA ( ie being selfish and not thinking of others)
  • Recent covid-19 infection (I'll give you that one)

so to condense your list we have
  • being selfish and not thinking of others
  • Recent covid-19 infection
 
Uncle Wally One Ball said:
My local A&E said on Friday that it was essentially fucked and not to go there this weekend
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I think this was inevitable once hospital admissions started shooting up because we knew there would be increased staff sickness absence.

Some hospitals are more vulnerable to workforce shortages with clinical rosters stretched most of the time so hopefully the problems won’t be very widespread. That might be wishful thinking and the idea of having staffing capacity for field hospitals (new Nightingales) in hospital car parks feels a tad ambitious.
 
Tim of the Oak said:
I think this was inevitable once hospital admissions started shooting up because we knew there would be increased staff sickness absence.

Some hospitals are more vulnerable to workforce shortages with clinical rosters stretched most of the time so hopefully the problems won’t be very widespread. That might be wishful thinking and the idea of having staffing capacity for field hospitals (new Nightingales) in hospital car parks feels a tad ambitious.
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It’s what I’ve been saying the last couple of weeks, restrictions are to protect hospital capacity,not to protect the non vaccinated. Whilst the anti restriction lot have been saying let the unvaccinated patients get what they deserve and leave the rest of us unrestricted.
 
BerkshireBlue said:
  • Concerns about long term effects, side effects, and unknown future effects on health ( ie being selfish and not thinking of others)
  • Previous side effects to other routine vaccines such as influenza vaccine ( ie being selfish and not thinking of others)
  • Low confidence in vaccines, including their importance, safety, and efficacy ( ie being selfish and not thinking of others)
  • Lack of trust in the manufacturing and country of production of vaccines, vaccine technology, the pharmaceutical industry, government, and public health bodies ( ie being selfish and not thinking of others)
  • Concerns about the speed of development of covid-19 vaccines ( ie being selfish and not thinking of others)
  • Concerns about vaccines’ incompatibility with religious beliefs ( ie being selfish and not thinking of others)
  • Previously negative experiences of healthcare, including racial discrimination ( ie being selfish and not thinking of others)
  • Lower risk and perception of lower risk of covid-19 (especially among younger age groups) ( ie being selfish and not thinking of others)
  • Lack of communication from trusted providers and community leaders (bollocks)
  • Practical concerns such as inconvenient vaccine delivery time and location ( ie being selfish and not thinking of others)
  • Not offered vaccine because of inaccurate patient contact information (bollocks)
  • Apprehensions surrounding fertility, pregnancy, and breastfeeding ( ie being selfish and not thinking of others)
  • Belief in Social Media as a source of news, such as covid-19 not being real, or that vaccines modify DNA ( ie being selfish and not thinking of others)
  • Recent covid-19 infection (I'll give you that one)

so to condense your list we have
  • being selfish and not thinking of others
  • Recent covid-19 infection
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If you like. Someone asked and I told him what is well known about ALL vaccine hesitancy. If you’re not interested and think everything in life is a binary choice, good on you.
 
Tim of the Oak said:
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Are they ‘anti-vax’ or protesting against the Dutch lockdown as they’re 2 very different things? I only ask, as it seems like you‘re cheering on riot police against people protesting, which shows what a slippery fucking slope we’re currently on.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Are they ‘anti-vax’ or protesting against the Dutch lockdown as they’re 2 very different things? I only ask, as it seems like you‘re cheering on riot police against people protesting, which shows what a slippery fucking slope we’re currently on.
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Tim of the Oak said:
The description says antivax clowns.
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The description on that Twitter link might say anti-vax clowns but I'd read reports that it was a protest against the harsh lockdown in Holland.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Are they ‘anti-vax’ or protesting against the Dutch lockdown as they’re 2 very different things? I only ask, as it seems like you‘re cheering on riot police against people protesting, which shows what a slippery fucking slope we’re currently on.
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Isnt it amazing how quickly a lot of people have accepted or demanding authoritarian rule? Fantastic stuff.
 
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