United Thread - 2021/22

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The Green and Gold piss will be boiling.

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reading stuff and stats about them - as well as yet another record falling - the years since Wolves last won at the swamp was the latest seems they have allowed more shots (80) than they have had themselves (74) since the arrival of Wreck it Ralph - De Gea is also the 2nd busiest keeper in the league second only to Watford's

Every time they sack a manager and hire a new one we are concerned they may get someone in who knows what they are doing. They never let us down though and get yet another that is worse than the last.
 
I actually thought that Rangnick would be a decent appointment for them, assuming anyone with a bit of tactical nous would be an upgrade on Solskjaer, but incredibly they’re probably in a worse state now than they were six weeks ago. There’s been virtually no new manager “bounce”. He doesn’t seem to have the charisma to get the players or fans behind him, and is undermined by the uncertainty over his future. The “consultancy role” was always a bit vague and weird. They’re absolutely fucked at the moment, and it’s beautiful to watch it all unravel.
 
TonyM said:
I have yet to be impressed by Greenwood. I wonder if he was at Watford or somewhere would anyone even notice him.
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Yea, I'm not seeing this world-beater squad that they should be challenging.

Their best five players in no order are De Gea, Pogba, Fernandes, Ronaldo and Varane. Yet they are all flawed--

De Gea: Great shot stopper, but not a modern goalkeeper that can play off his line.

Ronaldo: 37. He's a type of player that'd actually be even more invaluable if he was willing to be a side kick. The irony is that in needing to be the main man, he both weakens the team and reduces his own effectiveness.

Fernandes: Most talented in the team, but zero workrate.

Pogba: Will literally only play when he feels like it. So for France he's a stud, and once in a while he feels like running a bit for Man U, but otherwise strolls about. And lol they put up with it. Strange. But also don't they think other players won't see that?

Varane: Ok, he's solid and dependable, and closest they have to an elite player in their position that doesn't have a major negative.

Greenwood's overrated, he's also good but I wouldn't say he blows other teens in the country out the water. And these are their best players.

I've been saying you need three things--the right manager; the good and right players; and a coherent setup BTS (are the suits and the fans and the coaches in sync?). They needed to get rid of Ole, to stop the hemorrhaging there sure, but the other two areas also urgently need addressing too. And neither can be addressed now really because they have an "interim" manager so they have to wait until summer, and I suppose the players know that too. Anyway, they can wait forever for all I care.
 
Ric said:
I actually thought that Rangnick would be a decent appointment for them, assuming anyone with a bit of tactical nous would be an upgrade on Solskjaer, but incredibly they’re probably in a worse state now than they were six weeks ago. There’s been virtually no new manager “bounce”. He doesn’t seem to have the charisma to get the players or fans behind him, and is undermined by the uncertainty over his future. The “consultancy role” was always a bit vague and weird. They’re absolutely fucked at the moment, and it’s beautiful to watch it all unravel.
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They really don't have the squad (midfield) to play high pressing energetic football, but I do think they'll improve under him by the end of the season.


Klopp only won 1 of his first 5 and something like 5 out of his first 19. Then it finally clicked for them and they were suddenly a Klopp side and had some very good games, got the Europa final and the season after they were pretty much what they are now minus VVD.

Nedum Onuaha made a really good point that I've seen repeated elsewhere now that if he doesn't get them top 4 he's really going to lose any authority to have the DOF role they have planned out for him so this multi year plan might be over really soon.

That formation has to be scrapped as well - we won the league playing Pellegrini's 4-2-2-2 in 2014 but we had Fernandinho-Yaya as the midfield two. They have McTominay and Fred.
 
Ric said:
I actually thought that Rangnick would be a decent appointment for them, assuming anyone with a bit of tactical nous would be an upgrade on Solskjaer, but incredibly they’re probably in a worse state now than they were six weeks ago. There’s been virtually no new manager “bounce”. He doesn’t seem to have the charisma to get the players or fans behind him, and is undermined by the uncertainty over his future. The “consultancy role” was always a bit vague and weird. They’re absolutely fucked at the moment, and it’s beautiful to watch it all unravel.
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It will lead to a desperation to bring someone of note in at the end of season,sooner or later they’ll strike lucky on that front,having said that any manager worth their salt wouldn’t touch utd with a barge pole unless they are offered obscene amounts of money,and even that’s not a guarantee..
 
domalino said:
They really don't have the squad to play high pressing energetic football, but I do think they'll improve under him by the end of the season.

Klopp only won 1 of his first 5 and something like 5 out of his first 19. Then it finally clicked for them and they were suddenly a Klopp side.

Nedum Onuaha made a really good point that I've seen repeated elsewhere now that if he doesn't get them top 4 he's really going to lose any authority to have the DOF role they have planned out for him so this multi year plan might be over really soon.
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Yeah, wouldn’t surprise me at all if ties were severed at the end of this season. Still wouldn’t rule out them scraping into the top four, but they’re in a real mess regardless.
 
deano ou812 said:
It will lead to a desperation to bring someone of note in at the end of season,sooner or later they’ll strike lucky on that front,having said that any manager worth their salt wouldn’t touch utd with a barge pole unless they are offered obscene amounts of money,and even that’s not a guarantee..
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Can see them getting Pochettino in the summer, but it’ll be a huge job turning things round there.
 
rabby said:
That would involve a long term plan, something the Glazers would not be open to
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Would their fans be ok with a couple of seasons in mid-table like Arsenal? Would their fans be ok with a long-term drought like we went through after 1990? See there's no god-given right for them to have to have been on top forever.

Their fans want the shiny object, and they revel in being the "biggest club in the world" or whatever (shirt sales) so really is it not a good fit with the commercial ethos of them being as much of a "brand" (ugh) as a football club? I feel they would probably feel that signing a player like Cancelo, Rodri or Jota was actually beneath them, they'd never make those signings. A "club of their stature" needs to be signing the best English right-back in the game (Wan-Bissaka), the best Brazilian midfield name available (Fred) and the best English attacking name available (Sancho). They're basically about names. Very much loud car with loud exhaust overspeeding down the city street energy.
 
southamptonblue said:
Fortunately Pep won't....he's never been class, isn't, and never will be....it's this stupid over hyping of average players that has them where they are.
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Cleverley was the best thing since sliced bread, straight into the England team - downhill ever since.
 
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