United Thread - 2021/22

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superseiyan said:
Would their fans be ok with a couple of seasons in mid-table like Arsenal? Would their fans be ok with a long-term drought like we went through after 1990? See there's no god-given right for them to have to have been on top forever.

Their fans want the shiny object, and they revel in being the "biggest club in the world" or whatever (shirt sales) so really is it not a good fit with the commercial ethos of them being as much of a "brand" (ugh) as a football club? I feel they would probably feel that signing a player like Cancelo, Rodri or Jota was actually beneath them, they'd never make those signings. A "club of their stature" needs to be signing the best English right-back in the game (Wan-Bissaka), the best Brazilian midfield name available (Fred) and the best English attacking name available (Sancho). They're basically about names. Very much loud car with loud exhaust overspeeding down the city street energy.
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Good analogy
 
Boo or Boo-urns said:
It wasn't that long ago that chief rag sycophant Henry Winters was promoting Marcus Rashford doing three sessions a day in a bid to regaining fitness.




More like three sessions of how to run down a blind alley.
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to be fair, 2.5 of them were on brand management and how to make empty gestures on social issues for marketing clout.
 
pudge said:
Folks that want Greenwood, or would have him at least, strike me as the kind that would have taken Martial at one point..
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Martial a total flop at United and no great shakes before he joined them. Totally over-rated with just two goals in 30 appearances for France. I always thought he was a lightweight. It's too early to say with Greenwod. He looks like a decent finisher but the rest of his game such as his positional awareness and decision-making is average.
 
Ric said:
I actually thought that Rangnick would be a decent appointment for them, assuming anyone with a bit of tactical nous would be an upgrade on Solskjaer, but incredibly they’re probably in a worse state now than they were six weeks ago. There’s been virtually no new manager “bounce”. He doesn’t seem to have the charisma to get the players or fans behind him, and is undermined by the uncertainty over his future. The “consultancy role” was always a bit vague and weird. They’re absolutely fucked at the moment, and it’s beautiful to watch it all unravel.
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Rangnick has a shockingly poor record in the Bundesliga where he has never managed an elite team. That's why he ended up at Moscow. Another one who has been hyped as "the Godfather of German football." He is totally out of his depth at United.
 
Boo or Boo-urns said:
It wasn't that long ago that chief rag sycophant Henry Winters was promoting Marcus Rashford doing three sessions a day in a bid to regaining fitness.




More like three sessions daily of how to run down a blind alley.
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Does this guy ever smile?
I know it can't be fun playing for the rags, but Sire Marcus is one miserable looking so and so
 
domalino said:
They really don't have the squad (midfield) to play high pressing energetic football, but I do think they'll improve under him by the end of the season.


Klopp only won 1 of his first 5 and something like 5 out of his first 19. Then it finally clicked for them and they were suddenly a Klopp side and had some very good games, got the Europa final and the season after they were pretty much what they are now minus VVD.

Nedum Onuaha made a really good point that I've seen repeated elsewhere now that if he doesn't get them top 4 he's really going to lose any authority to have the DOF role they have planned out for him so this multi year plan might be over really soon.

That formation has to be scrapped as well - we won the league playing Pellegrini's 4-2-2-2 in 2014 but we had Fernandinho-Yaya as the midfield two. They have McTominay and Fred.
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Only in previous seasons 4-2-2-2 was called a 4-4-2, this bloke is marketing bullshit. FFS it’s not revolutionary wanting fullbacks to play high.
 
Their problem is the players. Not in a sense of technique as all seem to be good individually, but it’s more of a mind-set and where you can clearly see that we have done our homework with regard to character, they have just gone along with who is the flavour of the month.

Whichever manager is there, the first thing they need to achieve is to convince the players that they are all equal, regardless of pay.
 
Apologies if posted already and primarily about Lukaku, but nails a key difference between us and the Scum

www.dailymail.co.uk

MARTIN SAMUEL: Chelsea would have been MAD to back Lukaku over Tuchel

CHIEF SPORTS WRITER: There is a reason Pep Guardiola did not push Man City to complete the signing of Cristiano Ronaldo. Every man, no matter how talented, left his ego at the door.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
 
superseiyan said:
Yea, I'm not seeing this world-beater squad that they should be challenging.

Their best five players in no order are De Gea, Pogba, Fernandes, Ronaldo and Varane. Yet they are all flawed--

De Gea: Great shot stopper, but not a modern goalkeeper that can play off his line.

Ronaldo: 37. He's a type of player that'd actually be even more invaluable if he was willing to be a side kick. The irony is that in needing to be the main man, he both weakens the team and reduces his own effectiveness.

Fernandes: Most talented in the team, but zero workrate.

Pogba: Will literally only play when he feels like it. So for France he's a stud, and once in a while he feels like running a bit for Man U, but otherwise strolls about. And lol they put up with it. Strange. But also don't they think other players won't see that?

Varane: Ok, he's solid and dependable, and closest they have to an elite player in their position that doesn't have a major negative.

Greenwood's overrated, he's also good but I wouldn't say he blows other teens in the country out the water. And these are their best players.

I've been saying you need three things--the right manager; the good and right players; and a coherent setup BTS (are the suits and the fans and the coaches in sync?). They needed to get rid of Ole, to stop the hemorrhaging there sure, but the other two areas also urgently need addressing too. And neither can be addressed now really because they have an "interim" manager so they have to wait until summer, and I suppose the players know that too. Anyway, they can wait forever for all I care.
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I have always suspected that when they say they need somebody to “release Pogba” what they mean is a person or persons he is shit scared of or intimidated by and as a result puts a shift in.

Imagine if you will our Irish friend, the dog botherer, in this current dressing room. Pogba would soon be “released” after being held up against the wall by his throat at half time by a team mate.

Instead he came back to the swamp as Charlie Big Potatoes and we can all see the result

There are people in the French squad and his old Juve team he knows will call him out. The pisscan had him worked out before he was 16 to his credit
 
Just going back to someone who pointed out how these united fans glorify their buys/youngsters, especially after a good debut. They are literally set up for life because of it. Still singing the world class bollocks today. It's the same with that stadium, the place is a shithole, yet it's "the best in the world" to this lot. It's a shithole. This German guy was one of the most Googled people on earth a while back. Now(or he was) fuckin Yoda. You just know this type of delusion rubs off in the offices of Trafford, that's why they spend a fortune on the likes of Pogba to ease the supporters(ending up with a bunch of players and not a team) and next to fuckall on tins of paint. They must be at least ten years behind now because they had the arrogance to think they could carry on with piss-cans dna and a shithole of a stadium. It's biting them on the arse now. Fuck em.
 
Ric said:
I actually thought that Rangnick would be a decent appointment for them, assuming anyone with a bit of tactical nous would be an upgrade on Solskjaer, but incredibly they’re probably in a worse state now than they were six weeks ago. There’s been virtually no new manager “bounce”. He doesn’t seem to have the charisma to get the players or fans behind him, and is undermined by the uncertainty over his future. The “consultancy role” was always a bit vague and weird. They’re absolutely fucked at the moment, and it’s beautiful to watch it all unravel.
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It's like they repeated the same mistake with Solskjaer. Neither had any decent managerial pedigree for a club with their expectations. Ole was believed to be a club legend and understand the 'united DNA' but was a shit coach.

Wreck-It Ralf was slightly better it terms of his managerial achievements (he'd won the German cup in 2011) but the theory was he'd been the mentor of coaches like Tuchel & Klopp, therefore must be at least that level himself. Clearly he's not.

I had a great Biology teacher in 6th form that taught us about how the heart & liver function but I wouldn't expect him to be able to do a heart or liver transplant.
 
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11 utd players want to leave apparently due to being underwhelmed with Ragnick.

He has only been there 2 minutes, absolute bunch of pampered fucking wankers who don't know they are born. I am far from pro utd but thats just shit from the players. Got Mourinho sacked because he wouldn't take their shit. Ole was their best mate so he stayed longer than he should. Honestly fuck those shithouse players, entitled cunts who all need to fall asleep on a train and... well you know the rest hehe.

That said, i am glad it is happening to them for my own personal amusement.

https://twitter.com/UtdDistrict << that is the account reporting it, looks like it is coming from the mirror. No idea what their links are like to utd but it seems pretty specific to be total bollocks.

Edit: Same reports coming from the daily mail to apparently.
 
Ric said:
I actually thought that Rangnick would be a decent appointment for them, assuming anyone with a bit of tactical nous would be an upgrade on Solskjaer, but incredibly they’re probably in a worse state now than they were six weeks ago. There’s been virtually no new manager “bounce”. He doesn’t seem to have the charisma to get the players or fans behind him, and is undermined by the uncertainty over his future. The “consultancy role” was always a bit vague and weird. They’re absolutely fucked at the moment, and it’s beautiful to watch it all unravel.
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He is the German Dave Sexton
 
cheekybids said:
Only in previous seasons 4-2-2-2 was called a 4-4-2, this bloke is marketing bullshit. FFS it’s not revolutionary wanting fullbacks to play high.
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Pellegrinis 4222 was called that as well, before he came here and on here when he did.

Tactics discussions and stats were less popular back then but I remember discussing the formation when he was announced as our new manager because of the way he played Isco and Joaquin in those wide 10 roles in the Malaga CL run.
 
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