Today's shooting in America thread

On your last point, I think many people see it that way TODAY! The problem is the reality on the ground, the institutional resistance to change and the legal mechanisms for any change to the Constitution; the legal framework for which literally PROHIBITS any changes to 2A today due to the current Republican control in effect over the issue.

In a perfect world, there would be no 2A and no need for one, as there would be zero guns on the streets, other than with police, who rarely felt the need to ever use theirs, because they never felt like an almost invisible deadly threat was about to be used again at them.
It's called an AMENDMENT, and if the first steps to changing it are challenging the institutional resistance and prohibitive legal mechanisms, then that's what has to happen. Your nation can't keep burying its collective head in the sand and ignoring it because it's seen as too difficult.

I guess the reality on the ground is that more people have to care enough to want to change, but when mass shootings and senseless killings don't ever seem to tip the scales because the answer is ALWAYS 'we need more good guys with guns to stop the bad guys with guns' you are pretty much pissing into the wind until you can sort that out.
 
It's called an AMENDMENT, and if the first steps to changing it are challenging the institutional resistance and prohibitive legal mechanisms, then that's what has to happen. Your nation can't keep burying its collective head in the sand and ignoring it because it's seen as too difficult.

I guess the reality on the ground is that more people have to care enough to want to change, but when mass shootings and senseless killings don't ever seem to tip the scales because the answer is ALWAYS 'we need more good guys with guns to stop the bad guys with guns' you are pretty much pissing into the wind until you can sort that out.
Yawn.
 
its a catch 22,until they can get illegal guns off the streets they will never get the decent people to give up their firearms, and its just not going to happen, there are too many guns and it seems life is cheap in america to some people

That’s only true because of the amount of guns per person in America. Other jurisdictions have successfully banned guns, getting all illegal guns off the street is a only a rabbit hole to get trapped in. Because some criminals will always be determined enough to obtain illegal weapons.

And illegal guns are easy to obtain in the USA precisely because legal guns are.
 
It's why this thread is pointless.
It's American culture, they like to own guns. Nobody will ever change that.

All threads where political issues are discussed and solutions proposed and analysed are pointless and pissing in the wind. There is no obligation to contribute and digest such content though.
 
You've just made my point for me. A total apathy towards sorting the problem, because lets face it, it basically boils down to "We like guns - Don't take our guns".
YOU have made MY point from days ago…it’s one big “Look at the idiots!” wankfest for the holier than thou KNOW NOTHINGS on here!

YOU tell ME “it’s called an AMENDMENT” as if I don’t know what it is AFTER I GAVE YOU THE GOVERNOR COUNT!!

It’s fucking mental the fascination you people (the small handful of Bluemooners) have with America and guns!!! Not one single American thinks about them as much as you do…and it’s not apathy, it’s reality!!

You ploughing the exact same ground OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, until you get one little opening that allows you your moral superiority of “See, that’s the problem and there’s an easy fix…change your stupid laws!”

It’s idiotic and pathetic!

Do you think that those people in America who are sick and tired of gun crime DON’T want to change the law? Are THEY just too apathetic to write a new one?

The “YAWN” is EXACTLY how I feel about the whole circle jerk!

We talk around and around, yet it’s just so you can point and laugh…or is it cry?…at the issue from afar.

There is NO POLITICIAN IN AMERICA who is trying to change 2A. NONE!

Is EVERY American stupid?
Do they just not KNOW what YOU KNOW?
Did they forget it was just a simple matter of “AMENDMENT”?

You make me laugh!

I agree that gun CRIME is out of control. Literally sick and tired of seeing it on the news just miles from my house. So, in order to try to aid in the understanding of the situation, I engage in debate of the issues. Quickly, I’m a gun nut, part of the problem, a symbol of the apathy, just don’t get it, etc, etc, etc..,ALL TIRED, TORTURED LOGIC, because WITHOUT MY WILLINGNESS TO TRY TO ENGAGE TO GIVE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE, IT WOULD BE A SMALL HANDFUL OF GUYS STROKING EACH OTHER!!!

For the umpteenth time:

Yes, there is a gun problem.
No, law abiding ownership isn’t the problem.
Yes, there should be severe penalties for commission of a crime with a firearm.
No, the Second Amendment will not be amended with the current political make up of the United States and the Constitutional requirements to get an Amendment passed in the United States.
Yes, I know you think that’s crazy.
No, no-one in America cares what you think about guns or 2A.
Yes, I know that bothers you.
No, that will not change anything.

I hope that helps, because I’m tired of the whole nonsense. You seem INCAPABLE of understanding that ZERO Republicans will vote for an Amendment, while MORE THAN A FEW Democrats would also be against change.

So, wake me up when the CONSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR PASSING AN AMENDMENT are even close to a possibility and we can talk. Until then, save your moral outrage and the looking down your nose, because it’s long past boring. It’s not helping anyone and it’s making you look and sound like you have no REAL understanding of the problem AT ALL.

I live here. I’ve studied the issue, because it was foreign to me. I made my decisions on how I wanted to live in a 2A world. I’m not your problem, neither is my “mentality.” You are tilting at windmills if you think ANYTHING YOU SAY has any effect on the issue, yet you continue to point, snicker and roll your eyes. It’s tiresome, I’m yawning.
 
As an American with an American wife and American kids in an American high school, with American friends, one couple who lost their American child in a mass shooting by an American, I will weigh in and say that — fundamentally — it is not the employment of guns by professional criminals that worries me. I can avoid bad parts of town. I can avoid doing things that might put me in contact with professional criminals who employ guns as a way to earn.

What I worry about is the crazy lunatic who is able to get his hands legally on a weapon that is designed to destroy as much as possible in as short a time as possible in a place where it one is normally and statistically less likely to be in harm’s way, and to go out in a blaze of “glory”. Yes, we should invest more in mental health or whatever, and yes, a determined imbalanced human on a suicide mission is going to find a way, but neither of these issues erases the line on what kind of weapon I can and cannot buy legally. Why is the line drawn where it is, and why not more strictly?

The legal access to certain kinds of weapons that can kill faster and more aggressively is my worry — not 2A, not the Pandora’s box. I am in no position to determine what specific types of weapons should and should not be allowed to be purchased by a consumer. Perhaps the gun expert on this thread can opine on his view.
 
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As an American with an American wife and American kids in an American high school, with American friends, one couple who lost their American child in a mass shooting by an American, I will weigh in and say that — fundamentally — it is not the employment of guns by professional criminals that worries me. I can avoid bad parts of town. I can avoid doing things that might put me in contact with professional criminals who employ guns as a way to earn.

What I worry about is the crazy lunatic who is able to get his hands legally on a weapon that is designed to destroy as much as possible in as short a time as possible in a place where it one is normally and statistically less likely to be in harm’s way, and to go out in a blaze of “glory”. Yes, we should invest more in mental health or whatever, and yes, a determined imbalanced human on a suicide mission is going to find a way, but neither of these issues erases the line on what kind of weapon I can and cannot buy legally. Why is the line drawn where it is, and why not more strictly?

The legal access to certain kinds of weapons that can kill faster and more aggressively is my worry — not 2A, not the Pandora’s box. I am in no position to determine what specific types of weapons should and should not be allowed to be purchased by a consumer. Perhaps the gun expert on this thread can opine on his view.
I have an idea how about you can only legally own weapons that were available when the 2A was written , I presume that would be single shot muskets but as I know Jack about American constitution amendment history I could well be wrong .
 
Because THAT is what it’s all about, right???

UFB!
In many cases it absolutely is what it's all about.

That aside, the firearms industry in the USA is worth around $20 BILLION A YEAR. It's no surprise that the industry and the NRA are ACTIVELY promoting fear of violent crime. They have created an artificial arms race between the 'good guys' and the 'bad guys' and the proliferation of firearms in the USA has a direct lineage to this promotion of fear.

That's the real problem.
 
I have an idea how about you can only legally own weapons that were available when the 2A was written , I presume that would be single shot muskets but as I know Jack about American constitution amendment history I could well be wrong .
I have one!
 

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