WestGorton
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Agreed
Russian invasion of Ukraine
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what’s your proof? The Gov didn’t look for evidence ( despite always looking normally ) so none was seen so it would be interesting to see what proof you have they didn’t do anything brexit wise.
The Chechnya aspect of things was against some vicious ethnic cleansing against ethnic Russians also played out in Azerbaijan and Uzbekistan and other areas where the Communists had settled Russians in the old USSR. All this went on in the 90s -not Reported at all in the West.
I might have been using bordering a bit loosely. Rumania is not far away but the US transferred missiles from Turkey to their bases in Romania.
The US have their nukes in Belgium, Germany, Italy and Turkey.
Your second point I agree with.
This was in the aftermath of the collapse of the USSR in 1991 -when basically gangsters took over the Country in the Yeltsin era
WestGorton
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I don't know if that is true but are you KGB? They are everywhere.
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Really do think he’s got serious mental health issues now and that coupled with both the absolute power he has in his regime and him being pretty much a **** before is a very worrying situation.
Marklr
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We have narcissists ruling countries. Always have. Them and buffoons.
Scottyboi
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Was meant to have Parkinsons and be stepping down 2 years ago, and now we are here.
Marklr
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That's scary.
Not that Parkinson's is a mental issue. But it could have sent him over...
I'd recommend the two books by Seth Abramson; Proof of Collusion, and Proof of Conspiracy regarding Russian interference in the US and it touches on Brexit with their links to Cambridge Analytica.
I'd argue that Brexit and the elections of Trump, and Boris Johnson is evidence it worked.
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And you may very well be correct, but it's also tempting to pick results you simply don't like and attribute them to the 'reds under the bed'
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Absokutely, I just think he’s gone beyond just being narcissistic. Reading the reports on his conversations recently with Macron against three years ago suggests a deterioration in even a slight amount of rationality.
The biggest mistake the West ever made was thinking we won the Cold War. It never ended. We went to sleep while they've been beavering away destabilising and infiltrating our democracies. Thank fuck Trump actually lost, otherwise they'd have steamrolled over half of eastern europe by now, but the US is so divided that they aren't in a good position at all to do much
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Not sure they were under the bed as such, more bumming some of the key players and paying them for the privilege….
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For more on that, see this acclaimed book.
Here's an extract from it.
'The characteristics of narcissistic personality disorder are well-known: a grandiose sense of self-importance or uniqueness; an exhibitionistic need for constant attention and admiration; a lack of empathy and an inability to recognize how others feel; disregard for the personal integrity and rights of others; and relationships marked by a sense of entitlement and the exploitation of others...whose minds are structured to convince them of their own superiority and for whom the idea of equality is literally inconceivable.
....Narcissists love and admire themselves for qualities for which there is no adequate foundation. Their apparent self-confidence arises from the fact that their mental stability depends on their believing in, and projecting an image of superiority...As the myth [of Narcissus] conveys, the core of narcissistic personality disorder is the obsession with an image of perfection and the absence of an authentic sense of self-worth. The narcissist's deep insecurity compels him to engage in continual exhibitionism, seeking constant attention and approval. But like the child who fears his exhibitionism will be met with ridicule, the narcissist is constantly living in fear of humiliation and shame. Should his perfect image of himself be exposed as a sham, he, like Narcissus, would die of sadness. More often, however, he flies into fits of narcissistic rage in order to keep his unstable personality structure intact.
A quirk of their psychology also means that narcissists can come across as intelligent and articulate. Because of their absolute conviction that they are always right, narcissists seldom trouble themselves with understanding other people's views. They are often incapable of listening and synthesising others' ideas with their own in order to create something new. Bereft of creativity, they excel as masters of destruction. In discussion and debate, their objective is not to reach a rational or objective conclusion, or to work together to reach a compromise. Their objective is simply to demonstrate their own superiority...Generally, narcissists do not hold onto any particular belief or consistent position...They can therefore constantly shift their stated position and adhere to this altered position as doggedly as before.
This combination of rigid certainty (they are superior to others and therefore must be right) and blatant inconsistency (shifting their position moment to moment) makes it extremely difficult for others to counteract their arguments. As a result, narcissists often come across as being intelligent, articulate and skilful negotiators - the ultimate triumph of style over substance.
The narcissist's belief that they are always right and others are always wrong means that they invariably dismiss other people's arguments with contempt. Anyone who dares to disagree with them shows themselves to not only be intellectually inferior but also as having the impertinence to question their superior knowledge. They are therefore likely to react to anyone who challenges them with active or passive aggression...
Narcissists exert a disproportionate influence on society because a number of characteristics of narcissistic personality disorder means that they are more likely to reach positions of authority than those with normal psychology. Their abiding self-confidence, their absolute certainty in their beliefs and abilities, and their sense of entitlement to positions of authority over others, means that they pursue power and authority with a passion that most others like. Their energy, doggedness, and drive - which masks an overpowering need to triumph and an inability to accept defeat - often propel them to positions of power.'
Psychopathy and paranoia are two further traits that are associated with some of the authoritarian despots that we know from history. I would very tentatively speculate that Putin might exhibit those two attributes to an extent, though I have never read a psychological profile of the guy. However, Trump is the epitome of narcissism.
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"Absokutely"?? A you a Russian spy?
It's scary to think. Imagine he knew he was on his way out? Shit I'm getting myself worked up now. haha. Better not smoke any more of this joint
Fuck it...i will...
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I don't agree. Connecting brexit trump and Boris as one huge Russian conspiracy is as mad as any other tin foil hat info wars stuff. I'm not sure the actual outcomes of these votes benefit our enemies so much as polarisation and those very narrow but deeply divided 48/52%ish margins that characterised certainly the brexit' vote and us elections. The result is less catastrophic than the deep rift of those numbers. If brexit' had gone for remain by the same margin then we'd still have the same fracture in society, just as if Biden had lost by the same margin he'd won by. Maybe Russia did have a hand in these tight margins, but the evidence I see is that all debate is polarised due to the dynamic of social media with or without Russian interference.
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Arguably, Trump's most significant "achievement" was to exacerbate the divisions that existed in an already fissiparous society, by cynically pandering to the Christian fundamentalists, QAnon adherents and far-right extremists like the Proud Boys.
So much for the guy not getting the US caught up in a foreign conflict.