Russian invasion of Ukraine

twosips said:
On this, saw a photo of a downed Russian tank earlier on twitter. Thing looked like a rust bucket anyway, before it had been blown to pieces.

As a side not, the picture was quite depressing though really. I thought I'd see it and feel a surge of 'go on, Ukraine!', but nah. The turret and top of it had completely blown off, and all I could think of was that the (presumably now dead) people in it were probably relatively terrified young Russian blokes who didn't want this reality either. Just felt sorta sad for all involved. It's all just fucking grim, isn't it?
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Spot on.
You do wonder how much the Russian soldiers actually want this conflict and how prepared they really are to lay their lives on the line.
The Ukrainian lads on the other hand will fight to their final breath.
And btw as far as “tank trumps” go, how many tanks did the Afghans have…
Numbers aren’t all that matters in war.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Although I cannot stand Trump and have zero respect for him whatsoever, I genuinely believe Ukraine would not have been invaded had Trump still been president? Why? Because he would have threatened Putin with military action, possibly even a nuclear response, and he is barking mad enough that Putin would not have dared risk it.
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Tell me you took absolutely no notice of the last 5 years of US politics without telling me you took absolutely no notice of US politics…

Putin owns Trump. Trump has already called it a genius move by Putin.
 
MCFC1993 said:


They obviously love their freedom and it shows the lengths most Ukrainians will go to.

Shows how ridiculous and barbaric Russia are as well.

This is an island not far off of the coast of NATO member Romania.
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Doesn’t bode well for Russia if they’re going for trying to either occupy or install a puppet government
 
SWP's back said:
Tell me you took absolutely no notice of the last 5 years of US politics without telling me you took absolutely no notice of US politics…

Putin owns Trump. Trump has already called it a genius move by Putin.
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The worrying thing is I imagine there’s a fair chunk of the US population probably think the same thing as him too…
 
metalblue said:
Fucking hell. So when we have a general election and replace the previous prime minister were they or were they not voted out? The fact the spineless **** fled the country rather than face the courts which is where he’d have ended up is neither here nor there

You’re coming across as an argumentative twat if I’m being honest
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Yes, when we have a general election the previous government is voted out.

But we’re talking about Ukraine in 2014, if protestors were to storm parliament, take control of the Houses of Parliament and Downing Street and Boris fled to France, then months later someone else is appointed prime minister, Boris wasn’t voted out, it’s called a coup, and if there is no legal basis for it (treason and another I can’t remember), it’s illegal.

And that’s what happened. According to Russia it was illegal.


I said:

“You mean the government who the Russians say was illegally ousted in the 2014 coup and fled to Russia? Or a different one?”

To another poster asking if Russia will put a president in if they take Kiev.


You said

“When you say illegally ousted you mean voted out by free democratic elections - albeit not all the country participated due to Crimea being occupied so couldn’t.”

Which is being argumentative and isn’t factually correct at all, as there was a coup, not a vote, also, Crimea hadn’t even been annexed when the coup happened, so just complete nonsense really.

You then went on to say there was election fraud and he shouldn’t have even been there, which has no bearing to anything I said at all, and isn’t factual in any case.

Yet I’m being argumentative, I wasn’t even talking to you.
 
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TCIB said:
Brave poor buggers. Christ i can't begin what that must have been like for them.
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I think we’ll see more of this and guaranteed it will have an effect on the Russian soldiers. The World’s a lot smaller place than it was and they can’t like what they’re seeing or part of
 
bluesteel said:
Yes, when we have a general election the previous government is voted out.

But we’re talking about Ukraine in 2014, if protestors were to storm parliament, take control of the Houses of Parliament and Downing Street and Boris fled to France, then months later someone else is appointed prime minister, Boris wasn’t voted out, it’s called a coup, and if there is no legal basis for it (treason and another I can’t remember), it’s illegal.

And that’s what happened. According to Russia it was illegal.


I said:

“You mean the government who the Russians say was illegally ousted in the 2014 coup and fled to Russia? Or a different one?”

To another poster asking if Russia will put a president in if they take Kiev.


You said

“When you say illegally ousted you mean voted out by free democratic elections - albeit not all the country participated due to Crimea being occupied so couldn’t.”

Which is being argumentative and isn’t factually correct at all, as there was a coup, not a vote, also, Crimea hadn’t even been annexed when the coup happened, so just complete nonsense really.
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Are you also this pedantic and tangential during work team meetings?
 
bluesteel said:
Yes, when we have a general election the previous government is voted out.

But we’re talking about Ukraine in 2014, if protestors were to storm parliament, take control of the Houses of Parliament and Downing Street and Boris fled to France, then months later someone else is appointed prime minister, Boris wasn’t voted out, it’s called a coup, and if there is no legal basis for it (treason and another I can’t remember), it’s illegal.

And that’s what happened. According to Russia it was illegal.


I said:

“You mean the government who the Russians say was illegally ousted in the 2014 coup and fled to Russia? Or a different one?”

To another poster asking if Russia will put a president in if they take Kiev.


You said

“When you say illegally ousted you mean voted out by free democratic elections - albeit not all the country participated due to Crimea being occupied so couldn’t.”

Which is being argumentative and isn’t factually correct at all, as there was a coup, not a vote, also, Crimea hadn’t even been annexed when the coup happened, so just complete nonsense really.
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Revisionism at it's finest.

Don't forget the bit where the president backs out of a deal to align Ukraine with the European Union (which a significant majority of the population wanted). He then chooses to align with Russia (which nobody wanted).

He then starts killing protesters that don't agree with him.

He then runs to the enemy to hide from his actions. He then gets said enemy to invade his country whilst he pisses off to join them in the middle of the night.

Parliament then vote him out because he's effectively resigned by declaring war on his own country anyway.

Said president did also sign an agreement for early elections before fleeing. Simply put he fled before being on the end of a landslide loss.

If Boris did all that then the same thing would absolutely happen.


Also none of the above is why Putin is invading because simply put he doesn't even want Ukraine to exist.
 
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