Russian invasion of Ukraine

abu13 said:
I can't say I have ever felt as uneasy as I do today, for the first time in my life I am genuinely concerned that this could end up in a nuclear conflict. I have this fear that this is going tits up for Putin and rather than suffer a humiliating withdrawal he may decide to go gung ho.

Just hoping that there are processes in place in Russia to stop this from happening.

Can anyone really get their head around going to work as normal today and then tonight the world being obliterated with thousands of nukes:(
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Have a meeting in work today to discuss personal development and all that usual corporation waffle, I honestly couldn't give a fuck. Barely slept last night either.
 
abu13 said:
I can't say I have ever felt as uneasy as I do today, for the first time in my life I am genuinely concerned that this could end up in a nuclear conflict. I have this fear that this is going tits up for Putin and rather than suffer a humiliating withdrawal he may decide to go gung ho.

Just hoping that there are processes in place in Russia to stop this from happening.

Can anyone really get their head around going to work as normal today and then tonight the world being obliterated with thousands of nukes:(
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There are quite a few steps to go before we get to that so I wouldn't worry too much about tonight. You can probably safely go out on the lash if required. The Posh game is probably fairly safe as well...
 
MCFC1993 said:
The Russian government will try to blame anyone and everyone for this mess but it's nobody elses but their own. They invaded a sovereign state with the intention of eradicating it, something that hasn't happened in Europe since world war 2, then as a war tactic raised their nuclear readiness without provocation.

I can't stand Liz Truss, I can't stand Boris Johnson and I can't stand this Tory government but Ukraine being invaded and Russia raising it's nuclear readiness isn't on them.
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Yes, it's quite depressing seeing people actually take the bait and go after Truss for this.

So far Russia has blamed its actions on having Nato on it's borders (as it has for 75 years), a non-existent genocide, a jewish president they call a neo-nazi, and of course remember this isn't an invasion it's a special operation and Russia have had 0 casualties so far.

If Liz Truss had said nothing, they'd have just found another reason.

Christ, just look at the wording of the statement. "I will not name the authors of these statements, although it was the British foreign minister" It's absurd.


We can't take the bait. The whole nuclear threat yesterday was a distraction from the fact he's getting his arse handed to him.
 
abu13 said:
I can't say I have ever felt as uneasy as I do today, for the first time in my life I am genuinely concerned that this could end up in a nuclear conflict. I have this fear that this is going tits up for Putin and rather than suffer a humiliating withdrawal he may decide to go gung ho.

Just hoping that there are processes in place in Russia to stop this from happening.

Can anyone really get their head around going to work as normal today and then tonight the world being obliterated with thousands of nukes:(
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AlgarveBlu said:
Some great news if true coming from that earlier incident on Snake Island where it was believed that all 13 Ukrainians had been killed after telling the captain of the Russian frigate to go 'fuck himself' when asked to surrender

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Loads of propaganda on both sides.
If it’s true it’s great news!!
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Interesting that while talking to a mate down the pub about this last night and expressing my disgust at that news, he told me that if I had looked a little deeper into the story then it was apparent that the fruit picking was just a way of telling Ukranians how to get into the UK, IE if they put that down when applying they would get straight in no questions asked. I dont know if that is true or not, but I do know my mate is certainly no fan of Johnson or the Torries.
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Sounds either wishfully naive, or partisanly apologist.

For a start, they'd still have to qualify and meet all sorts of criteria they might not, would need time and resources they don't have etc. imo.
 
domalino said:
Yes, it's quite depressing seeing people actually take the bait and go after Truss for this.

So far Russia has blamed its actions on having Nato on it's borders (as it has for 75 years), a non-existent genocide, a jewish president they call a neo-nazi, and of course remember this isn't an invasion it's a special operation and Russia have had 0 casualties so far.

If Liz Truss had said nothing, they'd have just found another reason.

Christ, just look at the wording of the statement. "I will not name the authors of these statements, although it was the British foreign minister" It's absurd.


We can't take the bait. The whole nuclear threat yesterday was a distraction from the fact he's getting his arse handed to him.
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Well said.
 
Tim of the Oak said:
I’m not a Tory but I thought Truss showed backbone and had a go at diplomacy despite being on a bit of a hiding to nothing. The Ukrainians are grateful anyway.
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Yeah. Said at the time that Truss getting stick from the Russians simply meant she was repeating what every other country was telling them and keeping up a common front and they didn’t like it.
 
Oldham Exile said:
But you have - you dominate every thread in the forum with it - why not keep it in the specific threads to do with the torys and Johnson?

Forgive some posters on here for thinking that the events in Ukraine at this time deserve some focus and would prefer not to have to wade through your obsession-driven distractions

This - at this time - I would suggest, is more important to people that visit this thread than your personal campaign
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Agree that the impact of this conflict on our relationship with the EU is best discussed in the politics forum but there's no doubt that there is a link between overall Russian action over the last few years culminating in this invasion and our departure from the EU.
It's no surprise that you are at the forefront of wanting to kick this discussion into the the long grass considering your outspoken support for Brexit in your previous guise.

As I said, one for the other forum.
 
Keith Moncrieff said:
Loads of propaganda on both sides.
If it’s true it’s great news!!
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Sure there's bound to be propaganda coming our of Kiev but then there's the propaganda coming out of the ministry of fairy tales in the Kremlin - I just hope Putin and his inner circle haven't got to the stage where they actually believe the stuff they are coming out with, if so we are all in serious trouble.
 
Coatigan said:
Sounds either wishfully naive, or partisanly apologist.

For a start, they'd still have to qualify and meet all sorts of criteria they might not, would need time and resources they don't have etc. imo.
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They would also be committing an immigration offence by lying to get a visa. Which could prevent them from achieving a successful asylum claim.

I don't believe for one minute that border force staff will wave people through on no questions asked either.
 
denislawsbackheel said:
So no verified source, just yet more unsubstantiated claims like the dicks who claimed thermobaric bombs had been used last night.
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news.sky.com

Ukraine invasion: Large blasts at nightfall in Kyiv - as new satellite images show huge convoy of tanks approaching capital

Russian forces have met an outgunned but determined resistance in the capital Kyiv and other cities including Kharkiv, with President Vladimir Putin putting Russia's nuclear deterrent on high alert.
news.sky.com news.sky.com
 
blueinsa said:
Well said.
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Don't think the Russians had or have any plans to negotiate any terms that don't involve them getting 100% of their own way. It's a tough place to be in for any government. How do you reason with a guy who's cheese has obviously slid off his cracker ? You can't and you have to tread carefully because of it.

Providing safe passage and shelter for anyone wanting to get out of Ukraine should be top priority. I think there is huge anger we aren't more organised on this front, that's where I see the biggest failings. Talk is fucking cheap as far as I can see on this
 
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