Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Scottyboi]

Lmao at the hosts reaction she wasn't expecting that.

 

[west didsblue]

Genuine question.

All the initial reports were saying Putin had made contingencies for the economic backlash, are you saying they're greater than he anticipated and the Russian economy is in real danger of toppling over?

Doubt they've made contingencies for all commercial aircraft being grounded within a month, the rouble becoming worthless and the inability to use the foreign currency and gold war chest they've built up to fund this.
Even if they achieve their aim of taking over most of Ukraine, they're screwed.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

I believe he thought he would face similar toothless sanctions to what he faced when he invaded Georgia and annexed Crimea. There’s not a chance he expected exactly what he’s facing right now.

The economy is shagged, absolutely shagged. Our analysts are basically righting off anything based in Russia.

If an army is said to march on its stomach, then it needs the cash to feed it. Companies like BP, Shell, they don't usually write off stakes worth billions of dollars?

If Abramovich is writing off the £1.5bn in loans he is owed by Chelsea, it also shows the flip side of this coin?

He can't afford not to write it off, because whatever he recoups back is better than nothing?

 

[mosssideblue]

Correct, they just need to keep fighting because Russia will bleed out cash and supply lines before much longer.

With each passing day Ukraine is closer to perhaps bringing an end to Putin and releasing Russia from his grip.

and I genuinely believe they have the nouse and desire to keep going. Even if they do succumb, the wheels are now in motion from the outside world to either oust Putin or bring Russia to its knees by continuing to strangle them

 

[The Northern Baptist]

Because, when this is over, everyone with money will note we gave an 18 month window to get out of town which means it’s safe to park your money in London in the future.

The Times have dropped an article that the delay in sanctions is because the government have been unable to build a case against the oligarchs. It goes on to say that they have been unable to prove that there are reasonable grounds for designating the UK's most prominent oligarchs for sanctions because they have struggled to link their finances to the Putin regime.

Which begs the question why have our European partners been able to act so swiftly? Here's a clue....52% of you thought it was a good idea. ''The government made significant concessions during the passage of the UK's sanctions legislation in 2017 which ministers say has limited its ability to act.''

 

[Tuearts right boot]

Just been reading about tires on military vehicles. First, you have to keep them ticking over (bit like cars, but more so), otherwise even a good tire will degrade relatively quickly. Second, they need to be top quality given the loads and terrain in combat (some reports suggest Russians use tires...made in China).

Long story short, if your ‘vehicle exercise program’ is shoddy, then your tires will go very quickly, especially off-road, which may be a contributory factor to the slowest moving convoy ever and why the Russians stick like glue to the main roads.

 

[bobmcfc]

Fingers crossed they go well.

As far as I can tell Russian demands so far have been unrealistic.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Lmao at the hosts reaction she wasn't expecting that.

Haha, that look on her face, brilliant!

That guy savouring his drink. Brave fucker.

 

[domalino]

There's been 2 or 3 reasonably credible reports of multiple Russian planes going down today, the day after the German and American Stingers shipment arrived.

 

[Tuearts right boot]

State of it

Looks like a Star Trek character

 

[bluethrunthru]

Lmao at the hosts reaction she wasn't expecting that.

she did look like someone who was worried she was about to witness a live suicide.....

 

[BringBackSwales]

They are the ultimate shithouses BBS.
Causing death and destruction to untold numbers and using a pathetic excuse to justify it.
They are so far removed from reality you really have to question their sanity.

In this day and age it’s unbelievable, utter cowardly cunts

 

[Metal Biker]

Russia's Biggest Companies Are the New Penny Stocks

London traders are dumping shares in response to the sanctions punishing Moscow for the invasion of Ukraine.

www.barrons.com

Sberbank shares were $14 each not so long ago, now 1 cent.
Russian economy is well and truly fucked

 

[BringBackSwales]

Looks like a Star Trek character

It’s a shit fucking russian hammer though

 

[bluethrunthru]

not our problem as long as we have a robot leading the way

 

[BringBackSwales]

I doubt he would last 5 punches never mind 5 minutes.

I want to see the **** cowering in a cell like saddam hassein

 

[denislawsbackheel]

I think NATO should of been more prepared for this. Nato forces should of been considerably enlarged in the Baltics, Poland, and other NATO countries bordering Ukraine, and actually covertly in Ukraine. Ukraine made many preparations for an invasion and thats why they have been incredible defending their country.
If Nato had of enlarged their presence in Nato countries bordering Ukraine and Russia Putin would of thought twice about invading Ukraine, NATO did hardly anything, where are the Nato forces including the Americans?
If Nato had of been fully prepared and ready would the decision to invade Ukraine by Putin been made, I doubt it.
If he had still made the decision to invade Nato would of been ready, and could of raced to kiev securing the capital, and securing two thirds of Ukraine. This could of been done without Nato firing a shot in anger and completely wrong footing Putin. It just seems to me we have not reacted to an obvious and building threat from Putin when a show of strength and support for Ukraine would of stopped him in his tracks.
Just my thoughts

If Ukraine had been part of NATO WW3 would have been fought by now with full nuclear exchanges.
It is NATO doctrine one in all in so every NATO country would have declared war on Russia.
As NATO is a defensive alliance it cannot get involved in non NATO conflicts.

 

[bluethrunthru]

The Times have dropped an article that the delay in sanctions is because the government have been unable to build a case against the oligarchs. It goes on to say that they have been unable to prove that there are reasonable grounds for designating the UK's most prominent oligarchs for sanctions because they have struggled to link their finances to the Putin regime.

Which begs the question why have our European partners been able to act so swiftly? Here's a clue....52% of you thought it was a good idea. ''The government made significant concessions during the passage of the UK's sanctions legislation in 2017 which ministers say has limited its ability to act.''

but.....but.....but....The Mail says

STEPHEN GLOVER: Crisis shows how independent UK wields more influence

STEPHEN GLOVER: Almost no one other than the most addled Remainer could deny that Britain has independently pursued a policy in respect of Ukraine that has been both distinct and effective.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Just been reading about tires on military vehicles. First, you have to keep them ticking over (bit like cars, but more so), otherwise even a good tire will degrade relatively quickly. Second, they need to be top quality given the loads and terrain in combat (some reports suggest Russians use tires...made in China).

Long story short, if your ‘vehicle exercise program’ is shoddy, then your tires will go very quickly, especially off-road, which may be a contributory factor to the slowest moving convoy ever and why the Russians stick like glue to the main roads.

A tyre tires?

 

[Chippy_boy]

I can't believe I'm saying this but after the last week, I'm wondering whether Putin thinks there's a Finland-shaped jigsaw piece that he can easily add: not in NATO, population of 5.5M and shares a border. And then Sweden.

I mean, it sounds mad when I write it, but he is mad after all. These comments about stop him now or the price goes up seem very real to me.

If the choice was "should we stop him now, or stop him later? Oh decisions, decisions", then of course everyone would agree it's better now.

But what about "should we stop him now by using means that could invoke WW3 and hundreds of millions, conceivably even billions dead, or should we apply maximum sanctions now and wait to see if we really do have a threat of further Russian expansion later, because actually we may very well not"?

A bit more nuanced decision I think. There's plenty on here who have the opinion that Putin is hell bent on restoration of the USSR. They key word is opinion. No-one actually knows, and moreover even if that was his aspiration, no-one knows whether he might have changed his mind after the shit storm he's led his country into already.

What if he genuinely is a deranged lunatic who is quite prepared to nuke half the planet rather than to lose in Ukraine? Is it a great strategy to just "hope" that he isn't? Fingers crossed, like?