Russian invasion of Ukraine

Vic said:
Smith was acquitted.

I'm not sure how a 1900 British Empire case helps a Russian soldier - or any soldier - in a situation where the choice is obeying an order to commit a war crime or disobeying it and being shot.
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Was answering what a British soldier would do. Iirc despite Smith's acquital the principle concerning standing orders was established. Still the law here.
 
A critical day will be when they open the Russian Stock Market. That`ll be when your Mr Joe Averageski has a reality check on what Pootin has done to their economy, savings, pensions and future.
 
KS55 said:
AND capitalism will find the money to develop alternative sources of energy. For example, an experimental nuclear fission plant, one third operational size is currently being built in uk. Rolls Royce have developed the idea of small nuclear plants which would be much cheaper than those massive plants. Think gov has allocated funds to build a trial site. We have also developed non fossil fuel truck engines. This is capitalism in action to improve the lot of man, as it has done for 300 years. Necessity is the mother of invention. I am optimistic re future of global emissions.
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Aren't nuclear submarines using small nuclear plants?

And seriously, no communist ever invented anything?
 
Paul1970 said:
10000 dead is total bullshit that’s for sure . I’d say prob around the 2000 mark with more civilian dead .
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I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss that figure The old estimate for USSR figures was take what they said and x10.

When Ukraine said Russia had 5800 losses, the Kremlin said 595.

Remember that most of the fighting is taking place between Ukraine's full time army that's been prepared and trained by US and UK special forces for the last 8 years, using state of the art equipment and live intelligence provided by the US and surrounding countries against Russian conscripts who have 3 weeks training and didn't know they were going to war, using 30-40 year old equipment with no logistics or back up.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
I think this line kinda undermines the rest of it.

Why are companies looking for alternative fuels sources right now after being happy with fossil fuels for decades? Is it because that's just the ingenuity and progress that is inevitable under capitalism, or is it actually because government regulations in pretty much every rich country in the world has forced them to?
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Both. Necessity etc. Capitalism can respond, socialism doesn't.
 
Bazzmand Show said:
We are getting an insanely one sided view when it comes to what's actually happening on the ground.

Russia has more boots on the ground and are attacking a defended position, they were always going to take more losses.

The way that it's being reported you'd think Ukraine hadn't suffered one casualty of war.

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I live in Ukraine. My mom thinks that all those news about Ukraine crushing Russian army, and Russian "underperformance" is just fake news to encourage ukrainians and army. She wants Ukraine to win, tho. She also said, that what we "see" in reality, is that Russians slowly take city by city, especially in the South part. Her main argument is: "if Ukraine's army was that strong, they would already stop Russian progression at South".
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No, we get a confused, patchy sense of what is happening on the ground. I may be cautiously optimistic, but this conflict is by no means over, hence the caution.

But you cannot take a country the size of Ukraine, with a population of 45 million with 200k troops. Especially as they are facing a well equipped modern force of comparable size in the conflict area. The Russians can capture a city here and there, but is that city under their control and subdued? How many troops do they need to station per city? What is the overall strategic plan here? Is eventually levelling every city one by one going to secure any thing other than eternal enmity? Can Russia sustain the current level of losses even accounting for Ukraine over estimating them?

And that’s not even taking into account sanctions starting to bite.
 
Question to all the financial bods out there; with the Russian Stock Market closed, how long can the country effectively run before they face financial collapse if they're not trading?

Is this going to come down to a waiting game?
 
Metal Biker said:
Question to all the financial bods out there; with the Russian Stock Market closed, how long can the country effectively run before they face financial collapse if they're not trading?

Is this going to come down to a waiting game?
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This this was/is always going to be the case.
 
BobKowalski said:
No, we get a confused, patchy sense of what is happening on the ground. I may be cautiously optimistic, but this conflict is by no means over, hence the caution.

But you cannot take a country the size of Ukraine, with a population of 45 million with 200k troops. Especially as they are facing a well equipped modern force of comparable size in the conflict area. The Russians can capture a city here and there, but is that city under their control and subdued? How many troops do they need to station per city? What is the overall strategic plan here? Is eventually levelling every city one by one going to secure any thing other than eternal enmity? Can Russia sustain the current level of losses even accounting for Ukraine over estimating them?

And that’s not even taking into account sanctions starting to bite.
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US General Petraeus said the same about holding Ukraine last week - not enough troops, very little local sympathy. Complete nightmare.
 
bellsouth said:
I honestly don’t believe that ‘the people’ will rise up - if there is a leadership change, it will come from within the inner circle. Hopefully that happens.
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It won’t. The people are broadly in favour apparently and his inner circle look shit scared of him. This will only end when Putin wants it to end. How and when that will be, who knows.
 
Bazzmand Show said:
Russia has more boots on the ground
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I would have expected someone who lives in Ukraine to know that Russia's invasion force of 180-200,000 is significantly less than Ukraine's 215,000 active army + 200,000 called up trained reserves. We won't mention the 60,000 new territorial guards as they're not much more than a last resort although they are freeing up trained soldiers to go elsewhere.
 
domalino said:
I would have expected someone who lives in Ukraine to know that Russia's invasion force of 180-200,000 is significantly less than Ukraine's 215,000 active army + 200,000 called up trained reserves. We won't mention the 60,000 new territorial guards as they're not much more than a last resort although they are freeing up trained soldiers to go elsewhere.
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I believe Russia has 900k active military personnel.
 
KS55 said:
Was answering what a British soldier would do. Iirc despite Smith's acquital the principle concerning standing orders was established. Still the law here.
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It didn't stop Bloody Sunday. Let's not get too righteous over this. I don't even know if Russian soldiers have a legal defence (in Russian law) against disobeying an unlawful order (in an army where the "commander in chief" poisons people).
 
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