City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

[hammocity]

I’ve posted before but we’ve been the subject of one of the biggest investigations into football finance and found not guilty. However, Chelsea received 1.5b in Soft Loans from Abramovich over 20 years, they obviously paid zero interest and that money has disappeared. It was used to prop up the Club’s finances, wether it be player spending, wages or Operational costs it’s been spent without financial penalty. 75m per year as effectively a donation, not even investigated. They should have had to pay at least the interest on the loan at a going market commercial rate as do the Rags, but not one penny, strange.

 

[Oldham Exile]

The reaction on RAWK is typically predictable - the clueless and desperate twats

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

It's eight o'clock in the morning mate, I'm making some toast

All I'll say is that the emails don't look great - it's easy to see how.....

I'm simply not that arsed. If I'm wrong, cool. Not that bothered either way as I don't think much will become of it.

I just want trophies and a striker. And some toast. Oh, fuck, I've burned it now...

You seem very arsed to me. And all off the back of something you admit you might not even know.

We have experts on here who have been embedded in this for years, you should listen to them instead.

 

[halfcenturyup]

I mean, we did get done for it once, let's not forget -

You really should check the background to that case before you take it as indication of financial mismanagement.

 

[oakiecokie]

You really should check the background to that case before you take it as indication of financial mismanagement.

He really should !!
UEFA moved the fucking goalposts that much they were nearer to Stockport than The Etihad.

 

[bluemonkey71]

Never argue with an idiot. We know the result.

 

[KS55]

Anyway, back on topic, like I said: whatever creative accounting has been done (and I maintain you'd be naïve to think there hasn't been any during this ownership), I don't think there's remotely enough in this wave of emails to prove it. I also think most if not all high-level clubs do similar tricks when they need to, that FFP was a bad idea from the start that I have no problem with City dancing around, and that I would like see this Financial Samba (Revenue Riverdance?) continue as long as possible so we can get an actual striker and put seasons like this to bed without any Scouse excitement about making it tough.

I also think that the main reason these things get posted around the time of big City fixtures is because that's when there'll be the most interest in that type of piece. Feel free to call me a cockwomble or a spunktrumpet or whatever.

You have a basic flaw in your argument. Emails are evidence of a conversation. They are not evidence of any substantive act referred to. Thus, if I send you an email that says I am bedding silly Sally, that is not evidence that I am actually doing so. (Der Spiegel has not got hold of the pics yet.)
Your statement "enough in this wave of emails to prove it" shows you don't understand the first thing about the case.
Incidently, CAS warned UEFA that emails or newspaper facsimiles thereof would not be of probitive value. UEFA then made up a story that they had other documentary evidence, but they failed to produce any.
Learn or bog off.
EDIT. Slightly edited after 2 likes, but no change to argument in the EDIT.

 

[halfcenturyup]

You have a basic flaw in your argument. Emails are evidence of a conversation. They are not evidence of any substantive act referred to. Thus, if I send you an email that says I am bedding silly Sally, that is not evidence that I am actually doing so. (Der Spiegel has not got hold of the pics yet.)
Your statement "enough in this wave of emails to prove it" shows you don't understand the first thing about the case. So, either learn or bog off.

Started slowly, and the less said about the middle the better, but what a happy ending.

;)

 

[Manchester_lalala]

The reaction on RAWK is typically predictable - the clueless and desperate twats

The desperados. I find it hilarious. What Der Spiegel have managed to do is anger a whole fanbase and some or demanding that our titles should be stripped. The great thing is that will never happen.

 

[petrusha]

You have a basic flaw in your argument. Emails are evidence of a conversation. They are not evidence of any substantive act referred to. Thus, if I send you an email that says I am bedding silly Sally, that is not evidence that I am actually doing so. (Der Spiegel has not got hold of the pics yet.)
Your statement "enough in this wave of emails to prove it" shows you don't understand the first thing about the case.
Incidently, CAS warned UEFA that emails or newspaper facsimiles there of would not be of probitive value. UEFA then made up a story that they had other documentary evidence, but they failed to produce any.
Learn or bog off.
EDIT. Slightly edited after 2 likes, but no change to argument in the EDIT.

Moreover, we know that some of the latest emails are edited to omit some replies in the thread. It's not proof that they're misleading as a result, but they easily could be:

 

[The Pandorica Opened]

Have we all had a good morning, then?

Was pleased to hear that the key emails here might have been available to CAS in the first place. That should be that on this particular front for the foreseeable; UEFA won't want to push for anything after last time, I'm sure. We'll see if anything happens on the youth player/EPL investigation front but it's All Eyez on Sunday now, as Tupac so nearly said.

 

[KS55]

Having thought it through, I suspect the PL is about to clear us, as CAS did, and this is another crude attempt by our enemies to somehow muddy the waters.

I think that is highly likely. They were told by the court to get on with it and my bet is they can't find anything significant so have decided to drop it. That would explain why the press is saying the PL is coming under pressure from other clubs, especially if the PL have indicated to those clubs what they intend.

 

[applecentral]

Yay, the biggest cockwomble of the matchday threads (which takes some doing) has now diversified to be the biggest cockwomble of the whole site.

If you are a City fan, you are one boring predictable utter knobhead…

Don’t hold back!

 

[Centurions]

Don’t hold back!

I thought he was being quite restrained myself.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

I'd love to be able to map these shock headlines against city's major games.

 

[Kinkladze's crazy skills]

Friday before the biggest game of the season this pish comes out. How predictable. If ever there is a case of the media against us. Here it is plain as day.

It's far from the first time that it's happened right before a big game it happens a lot around major games, in all honestly I can't give exact examples of when exactly but I'm sure someone here can.

 

[Kinkys Left Foot]

I'm able to accept the juxta position of opposing fans to "Theres no smoke without fire" as they are ill informed and have no great desire or reasoning to inform themselves of the truth and therefore take the "Sheeps" position in all this of reading the click bait medias headlines and baaa baaaing on the sidelines - I laugh at them.

Its documented fact historically we were punished for exceeding the spending limits set out by UEFA FFP the reasons for which we are mostly well aware and we took "the pinch" despite our anger.

Where I am less accepting is of our own (Alleged) fans who knowing the absolute scrutiny that our accounting systems have been put through in what seemingly is on an annual basis, that a court case took place where "ALL" the evidence of our accusers was evaluated against the actual facts established by City, their sponsors, their owners, their accountants, their executives and their employees with supporting evidence, that NONE of these allegations were true.

I'll say it again so you're sure - A COURT OF LAW HAVING HEARD ALL THE EVIDENCE FOUND WE DID NOT BREAK THEIR RULES ON ACCOUNTING, FUNDING, SPONSORSHIP OR ANYTHING ELSE THEY ACCUSED US OF - and it was a lot.

So in effect there actually is "Smoke without fire". It wasn't smoke it was a loud fart in Germany.

For any of our own to lazily opine that those who have, following these accusations, read in depth the case presentation and decision and know all the above and understand it are "Naive" in believing we didn't break the rules is fucking nauseating in the least.

I was always taught if you want to form and voice an opinion on something at least have the fucking balls to do some research and inform yourself of the facts to avoid looking like a fucking moron in front of people who did.

 

[Kinkladze's crazy skills]

The reaction on RAWK is typically predictable - the clueless and desperate twats

Der Spiegel's claims are about as real as the sun's smearing headlines in 1989 regarding Liverpool fans, might be seen as a bit of an edgy comment saying that but I can't stand that shitrag of paper either, what I'm saying is the truth there's been no actual evidence and I'd be completely surprised if it was anything other than a mountain of bullshit.

The media since our takeover they've just been a bunch of dirty smear merchants thinking of the next thing they can tar and feather us with, it's not or never has been upto now anything to get excited about even if you're against us, anyone giving credence to these nothing stories are clutching at straws rags or dippers other rival fans for UCL places or extremely gullible.

 

[halfcenturyup]

I was always taught if you want to form and voice an opinion on something at least have the fucking balls to do some research and inform yourself of the facts to avoid looking like a fucking moron in front of people who did.

Ah yes, the scientific fucking method with added fucking balls. I remember it from sixth form ....

;)

 

[domalino]

Noticeable that this has already sunk to the bottom of the football pages on most newspapers.