City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

Citizen Green said:
Given the nature of what’s at stake here I do not see how the PL have the ability to essentially charge one of of its key shareholders with providing fraudulent accounts over a 10 year period, misleading auditors, UEFA & the PL itself.

They would need to prove these allegations based upon 7+ year old emails that sit outside the statute of limitation their regs are governed by in accordance with English law, whilst also overcoming the actual contractual financial transactions between the parties that saw CAS clear City in 2020, proving what is said in the emails is what then transpired. It’s a neigh on impossible hurdle for them to over come & even if they did, it would then open the directors involved at City to criminal action, it’s just not realistic.

The PL are between a rock & a hard place because they are clearly being pushed by our detractors to act based upon these emails, but as we know emails alone aren’t enough to bring any meaningful punishment, especially by an arbitration panel. I suspect this will be settled outside of arbitration between both parties with City paying some form of fine and an agreement for both to move on.

Of course I could be totally wrong & we could be relegated to League 2, but I just don’t see it.
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Why would we take a fine?
 
Citizen Green said:
Given the nature of what’s at stake here I do not see how the PL have the ability to essentially charge one of of its key shareholders with providing fraudulent accounts over a 10 year period, misleading auditors, UEFA & the PL itself.

They would need to prove these allegations based upon 7+ year old emails that sit outside the statute of limitation their regs are governed by in accordance with English law, whilst also overcoming the actual contractual financial transactions between the parties that saw CAS clear City in 2020, proving what is said in the emails is what then transpired. It’s a neigh on impossible hurdle for them to over come & even if they did, it would then open the directors involved at City to criminal action, it’s just not realistic.

The PL are between a rock & a hard place because they are clearly being pushed by our detractors to act based upon these emails, but as we know emails alone aren’t enough to bring any meaningful punishment, especially by an arbitration panel. I suspect this will be settled outside of arbitration between both parties with City paying some form of fine and an agreement for both to move on.

Of course I could be totally wrong & we could be relegated to League 2, but I just don’t see it.
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The emails are 10 years old now by the way. I suspect the PL will close it stating that nothing was found, since UEFA & CAS couldn't find anything (despite UEFA finding us "guilty") I can't see any other outcome.
 
Centurions said:
The emails are 10 years old now by the way. I suspect the PL will close it stating that nothing was found, since UEFA & CAS couldn't find anything (despite UEFA finding us "guilty") I can't see any other outcome.
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Funnily enough, that's the only outcome I can't forsee. Too much invested by too many.
 
Newman Noggs said:
Funnily enough, that's the only outcome I can't forsee. Too much invested by too many.
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Agreed. We will take a pinch and likely towards the youth allegations, which happen at every club and saw Liverpool sanctioned.

I suspect a two-window transfer ban after our summer work, to seemingly let the chasing pack (United) get a bit closer to us.
 
WRicko said:
So what do you see happening
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I don't know. I would like exactly what you said to happen but the PL is even less independent than UEFA and I find the idea that they will just turn around to the other clubs and say "we've looked at this in depth and you and the entire media are wrong, Manchester City have broken no rules whatsoever" hard to imagine. And if they did clear us, City would be shouting it from the rooftops after the years of shit we've endured. Can't see it happening but hope I'm wrong.
 
It’s just so obvious that it’s an attempt to disable the club in the week leading up to the biggest game of the season. It’s not even subtle, ridiculous really and no doubt will have pissed the club off.

All because some clubs can’t handle us being at the big boy table with a bit of money years after they’d dared to do it.

No evidence, no evidence, no evidence. 11 times.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Agreed. We will take a pinch and likely towards the youth allegations, which happen at every club and saw Liverpool sanctioned.

I suspect a two-window transfer ban after our summer work, to seemingly let the chasing pack (United) get a bit closer to us.
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Calls into question a fair and appropriate action if they did that, I suspect it will be a fine used to impact on turnover figures and implicitly impact the wage allowance under the new rules. However anything above and beyond this the club will fight and the FA will be looking at the CAS case and be rightly concerned by our ability to defend ourselves as an organisation.

But they footballing elite are still looking for ways to curb the CFG business model but thankfully struggling.
 
Citizen Green said:
The PL are between a rock & a hard place because they are clearly being pushed by our detractors to act based upon these emails, but as we know emails alone aren’t enough to bring any meaningful punishment, especially by an arbitration panel. I suspect this will be settled outside of arbitration between both parties with City paying some form of fine and an agreement for both to move on.
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I could be wrong here, but the fact that the club have gone to court over this suggests that they are in no mood to 'take a pinch' again. If they were, I suspect it would have happened a while ago
 
Newman Noggs said:
I don't know. I would like exactly what you said to happen but the PL is even less independent than UEFA and I find the idea that they will just turn around to the other clubs and say "we've looked at this in depth and you and the entire media are wrong, Manchester City have broken no rules whatsoever" hard to imagine. And if they did clear us, City would be shouting it from the rooftops after the years of shit we've endured. Can't see it happening but hope I'm wrong.
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We got cleared at CAS and the Premier League will have a harder time proving anything
 
citizen_maine said:
I could be wrong here, but the fact that the club have gone to court over this suggests that they are in no mood to 'take a pinch' again. If they were, I suspect it would have happened a while ago
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The premier league was on ourside for the court case though. The court case has very little to do with anything really just the premier league and city wanting it to be a closed door investigation but unfortunately the case was lost
 
citizen_maine said:
I could be wrong here, but the fact that the club have gone to court over this suggests that they are in no mood to 'take a pinch' again. If they were, I suspect it would have happened a while ago
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I think we have drawn our line in the sand. The PL saga is following the same path as the UEFA witchhunt. It has been politically motivated from the start and this farce should have ended with the CAS decision.
Richard Masters (PL CEO) knows his job is on the line. There is no evidence and no chance of success but he has to be seen to be doing something by the people who vetted his appointment (Directors at LFC and MUFC). He needs a way out that doesn't look like a climbdown. That's why the PL lawyers (as well as ours) are spinning the process out as long as possible.
Masters will get off the hook (like Ceferin) by saying the allegations were "timed out" and it's "all City's fault." When the case collapses there will be an onslaught of poisonous private briefings from LFC and MUFC to their pals in the media about City "getting away with it." This is precisely what happened last time with the UEFA case. Most (not all) of the media will not report the story fairly. Some journalists were badly burned last time and will not be so compliant this time so the media storm will be more subdued. They know who they are and I am certain they read this forum.
 
Got a feeling we still have a few grenades ourselves, I’m sure our guys will be sat on all sorts of delicate info, the kind that ‘devalues’ the product as a minimum, and I’m sure the PL are well aware. The PL will be keen to protect their golden goose & won’t want to sensationalise any charge against us, but that won’t stop the red shirts.
 
blue oli said:
But they footballing elite are still looking for ways to curb the CFG business model but thankfully struggling.
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Revenues continue to rise with continued City success and global media exposure plus the halo effect throughout CFG. We have become a juggenaut that FFP failed to stop. The business model of the footballing elites has been shown to be inferior with things like 'history' and shirt sales increasingly irrelevant.
 
I have not been following this in as much detail as others on here - but I have a level of concern based on what I had thought that I had heard/read - that the PL disciplinary process does not have an in-built right of appeal - such as UEFA had with CAS.

So this means that whilst we would undoubtedly defeat any unfair penalty at arbitration or court - there might not be an avenue to such a hearing.

I hope that someone can confirm that I have just made that up in my mind - but I was sure that I had read it.

If I have remembered it right and Masters has been specifically recruited to satisfy the red shirt clubs - then I do worry that an unfair and unjustifiable penalty will be imposed
 
Oldham Exile said:
I have not been following this in as much detail as others on here - but I have a level of concern based on what I had thought that I had heard/read - that the PL disciplinary process does not have an in-built right of appeal - such as UEFA had with CAS.

So this means that whilst we would undoubtedly defeat any unfair penalty at arbitration or court - there might not be an avenue to such a hearing.

I hope that someone can confirm that I have just made that up in my mind - but I was sure that I had read it.

If I have remembered it right and Masters has been specifically recruited to satisfy the red shirt clubs - then I do worry that an unfair and unjustifiable penalty will be imposed
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We'd just go straight to court.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Agreed. We will take a pinch and likely towards the youth allegations, which happen at every club and saw Liverpool sanctioned.

I suspect a two-window transfer ban after our summer work, to seemingly let the chasing pack (United) get a bit closer to us.
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A pinch for what exactly though? I thought the Sancho & Dias claims were already dead & buried? Have I missed something? (I couldn't bring myself to download Der Shites 'evidence' I'm afraid)
 
Unless the PL have got evidence of something other than the stuff UEFA had that was later used at CAS, then I can’t see this going anywhere. They could still hit us with a punishment like UEFA did but if there’s no real basis to do that then I’m sure the club will take them to court and it could get very messy for the PL.

The PL investigation has been ongoing for 3 years now and I think it was only opened because UEFA opened theirs. They’re probably looking at an out that doesn’t piss off the usual suspects so maybe that’s why they haven’t had the balls to shelve it yet.
 
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