The Boxing thread

[Metalartin]

You didn't edit the quote, now bluemoon is lying? You've got it bad. You night want to realise when people are laughing at you not with you.

What are you talking about?

"He wont fucking leave it". That is still in the original post. I've just explained why I said that. You assumed I quoted the wrong person because of that, when I did not. I can see where the confusion came from now, I wondered what you were on about at first.

Yes I edited the post to shorten your quote, to highlight the relevant comments I took issue with.

It's not difficult mate. So where did I lie? Nowhere.

 

[bluesmith]

What are you talking about?

"He wont fucking leave it". That is still in the original post. I've just explained why I said that. You assumed I quoted the wrong person when I did not.

Yes I edited the post to shorten your quote to the relevant comments I took issue with.


It's not difficult mate.

Ah apologies, I've just realised English isn't your first language, if you are speaking to someone and you say 'he' it means you are talking about someone else. And not to the person you are speaking to - That would be you.

Night sweet cheeks.

 

[Metalartin]

Ah apologies, I've just realised English isn't your first language, if you are speaking to someone and you say 'he' it means you are talking about someone else. And not to the person you are speaking to.

Night sweet cheeks.

Like I said, I thought it was obvious I was addressing the rest of the thread first because I said I was going to call it a night on here before that post of yours.

Anyway, back at you cupcake. ;)

 

[Corky]

Dire wasn't it? How many time can PPV be stabbed before it dies?

 

[Bluemoon1979]

If you're just going to say everyone he's beaten is crap or finished or old then Fury has beaten nobody at all and Wilder isn't even a boxer.

How was Wlad hyped up for Fury and then deemed finished 18 months later after Fury, despite being in better condition than he was for Fury? He had 3 training camps in that time because Fury didn't fancy it, the same game plan wasn't working twice. Wlad was not some undefeated fighter who didn't know how to come back from loss. He knocks Fury out in the rematch IMO(53KOs for a reason) and that's why Fury became unhinged(faked an ankle injury the first time he pulled out), then the steroids case came to a head and he tried to cover it up with cocaine use and the mental health story and left boxing.

Parker wasn't considered average until AJ beat him. Fury said he'd put money on him schooling AJ. In fact most of the AJ haters back peddled like crazy after that fight. Just like they did after the Whyte fight and the Charles Martin fight. Fury has bet against him so many times and exposed for the bullshitter he is but some people have selective amnesia with the things he says.

Wilder and his team did all they could to avoid Povetkin, who at the time AJ beat him, was younger than Wlad was when Fury faced him. Before you talk about PEDs, Ortiz did worse and he was still given a shot as a voluntary the first time around. Around 2016-17, when Povetkin was due to fight Wilder, he would have knocked him out and early IMO. Wilder nearly got stopped by Ortiz lets not forget.

Wilder had 3 voluntaries in 5 years as champ and they were Stiverne2(fat and out of shape from a 2 year layoff), Breazeale(already beaten by AJ, only had to beat Molina in his eliminator) and Ortiz 2(a fighter he had already knocked out the year before). His route to the belt is even more questionable(no credible names and a dive from his mate Malik Scott in his eliminator).


We can both play your game. Who at HW has a better resume than AJ?

 

[Metalartin]

You've quoted a well reasoned post backed up with facts there... Nice try though. Feeling pretty good about that post actually(although it should have said "3 mandataries" in 5 years). :)

Really coming after me tonight the Fury fans, all for not agreeing that AJ is shit. Madness.

Night all.

 

[Bluemoon1979]

Credit to Usyk but some people don't know how to score boxing rounds IMO. AJ even while not at his best overall, won at least 5 rounds and there were swing rounds you could argue about(so much for the judges being dodgy). The biggest mistake he made was letting Usyk bank those early rounds because the last two rounds you'd have expect Usyk to be fresher and that's how it went.

 

[Bluemoon1979]

Well if your measuring stick for top class is that, then nobody at HW bar AJ has fought a world class boxer in their prime.

Ruiz Jr is nothing like Usyk either and he got his head boxed off in the the rematch. He would have done coming in at the same weight he was in the first fight. He's never had good footwork, that's how AJ beats him 9-10. I also love how people dismiss the problems AJ had before the first fight and then make excuses for Ruiz Jr who didn't win a single round. Someone from Ruiz Jrs camp(Micheal Hunter) let slip that Ruiz Jr had a great camp missed one day for a cold and that's it. Yet Ruiz Jr and his team made excuses before they even left the ring about that camp.

AJ still beats anyone else in the top 10, the only question mark is Fury. Usyk beats Fury too and I don't see Fury ever taking that fight. Usyk is miles above Fury as a boxer and there's no way Fury stops Usyk... So how does he win that fight? I said before the fight this is lose lose for AJ. If he would have won, they continue to duck AJ and say he just beat a cruiserweight. If he loses AJ is no good all of a sudden, despite still having the best resume at HW.

 

[Metalartin]

Again none of those posts fit the bill. Quite happy to stand by those too. Maybe with the exception that Usyk being "miles above" Fury is a bit over the top(Usyk is the better boxer, faster and better ring iq IMO) but still nothing compared the unfounded shite spoken about AJ on here at times. :)

 

[Metalartin]

Wilder would knock Joshua out that's why he's avoided him

 

[Metalartin]

Klitschko didn't lay a glove on Fury. Fury schooled him as he would have done in a rematch. I'm not a big boxing expert but my eyes tell me Fury is a far better fighter.

I don't particularly like Fury but as someone who has suffered with mental health problems surely you can see that he is someone who has struggled with demons & it isn't an act to get out of fights.
Would Joshua have got up from the punch Wilder hit Fury with? I think you know the answer to that.

I'm struggling with your assertion that Joshua has the best resume in heavyweight boxing. He ducked fighting Wilder numerous times. Klitschko (who Fury beat easily 18 months before Joshua beat him) & Parker (who Whyte beat) are his biggest 2 wins. I'm not sure how great a resume that is but if you say it's the best who am I to disagree!

 

[Bluemoon1979]

Ok night Mr Joshua get a good sleep

 

[Metalartin]

Ok night Mr Joshua get a good sleep

You do realise all you've done is quote opinions you don't agree with, that have been well reasoned and contain facts(same as bluesmith did). Night anyway.

 

[Scottyboi]

Was great to see Steve Egan in Furys corner he must have been so proud.

 

[Marlo]

I think we seen the best and worst of boxing from a fan perspective tonight.

On one hand, a huge boxing fight is probably the most exciting spectacle in all of sport. IMO, a huge boxing bout and the build up is more enjoyable than a Super Bowl, CL final or F1 race.

Yet, the lack of unified regulation and pursuit of money over competition really lets the fans down. The undercard tonight was a joke and for the entertainment factor alone, UFC London shit all over tonight’s fight card.

The fact Whyte had to wait so long for his title shot despite being mandatory is also a disgrace. Too often once a fighter wins a world title they join the gravy train which holds up a division. Wilder/Fury 3, Joshua/Ruiz 2 and Joshua/Usyk 2 should never have happened/happen IMO as the rematch’s were totally undeserved.

If champions who lose their belt had to earn rematches then there would be better fights available for undercards.

Agreed. This rematch bollix is destroying the sport, a rematch should only be given if the previous result was in doubt. There was no need for Fury Wilder 3, just like there is no need for Uysk AJ 2. In a properly regulated sport Fury and Usyk should have fought for the UD title.

 

[Paul1970]

And at what point do you think Usyk would be able to hit Fury?

Be honest now did you think that Joshua would beat up usyk ? Let’s just hope it happens and we will see .

 

[Paul1970]

Seems so, he says everyone beats fury (:

give the man his dues, a class champion and best of his era hands down!

I’ll say the same to you . Did you think that Joshua would beat usyk and be honest ? I’m giving fury credit and he is a great boxer but he just knocked out dillian whyte who the last time I checked got chinned by a veteran Russian and also got smashed by Antony Joshua . Let’s just see what happens if they fight as our opinions are different .

 

[Paul1970]

From the side yes, but from head on it was completely different. The punch caused his head to spring to the right and must have sent shockwaves through his skull. He could barely stand when he rose from the canvas.

You could be right then mate

 

[Dirty Harry]

Was great to see Steve Egan in Furys corner he must have been so proud.

No doubt a chip off the old block, his Dad was some man, an absolute credit to boxing and humanity.

 

[Paul1970]

Oh that's what you meant. I thought you were implying I quoted someone else first.

I was explaining why this was dragging on for the people who suggested we call it a night and agree to disagree. I'd just said I was going to leave it and you come out with lies, claiming I said things which I have not. I thought that was pretty obvious what I was doing there.

That is still in the original quote, so no I didn't edit that part. So that leaves the question... why did you mention I edited the post, other than to mislead and discredit me? Same as you did with the deactivated profile meaning anything at all in this debate, since it's been that way for years.

Tbh mate I’m not a big fan of Joshua but he resume is good and he has beaten some good fighters . I do believe if vlad had fought 6 months - 1 year before he would have finished Joshua but he didn’t . I do think Joshua has been on the decline even before he went to New York and his boxing style is too cautious now to really trouble any elite fighter as we saw we usyk I mean you don’t try to outbox the best boxer out there you try and drag him into a war but I don’t think he can any more . I also thought Joshua took 3 rounds at best in that fight . As for fury - usyk if they fight and it’s a big if I do believe usyk wins as fury will not be able to use the he same tactics against a master boxer and he would get beat but seen as they haven’t fought nobody knows .