Etihad Atmosphere - 2021/22

How many people are in this 1894 group and how many show up for this bus thing? If all those just sang all game, would that not be enough? Surely if you are passionate enough to turn up for that at 6pm, then you are a die hard who will sing all game? How many bought tickets specifically to be in the singing section at Wembley? Did that work? (I accept going 3-0 down wouldn’t have helped but did it make any noticeable difference?)
 
I went to my first game in about 3 seasons recently and I was surprised that no one new song has been made in that time, granted COVID but still.

We need some more classics that get everyone going:

YAYA YAYA KOLO KOLO

Examples from other clubs:

Will Grigg in the euros
Liverpool's conquered all of Europe & the Allez Allez song
 
I went to that final too, and yes it was a fantastic atmosphere. I was much younger then though and a trip to Wembley wasn't the norm for us then. You are probably right with the fan mentality comment. I went to the replay too, on a supporters coach that appeared to contain the world's supply of drunks. I arrived home at an ungodly hour heartbroken and then had to go into college for my geography A level mock. I can't have told my parents about the exam as I certainly wouldn't have let my 17 old son do the same thing, so yes mentality, maybe it's that.
im going to sound like a stick in the mud here but the club do a lot to help with the atmosphere, i couldnt ask for more support off them in doing the displays. The guys from the club that work with us at 1894 do more than a lot of fans. Of course you get to the top of the tree and they dont quite understand fans and will care more about revenue in, but that is their role.

I know after reading this some might think well cheap tickets / beer in seats / KO times and other pointers, i have a list as long as my arm of things that p****s me off about the modern game. But im still there belting songs out, getting to the ground 2 hours before KO and leaving half hour after. I wouldnt expect people to be as daft as me, but i think the singers in the stadium have to make more effort, group together, put phones down, get behind the team.

A few posts today have got it right in that we have changed how we view football, it is almost like some fans are sat in their arm chair watching the game.

One interesting comparison of todays fans to 70s & 80s. Take Wembley for example, apart from taking flags down there it has little appeal to me, the atmosphere is terrible. I went to 1981 fa cup Vs spurs, the noise in the there half hour before KO was better than any game at wembley ive been to when the game is being played. During the game in 1981 it was loud, seriously loud, the whole 25k in that end holding scarves up, bringing 100's of home made banners to the game, it was a sea of blue for 90 mins. Im not going to accept for one minute that the stadium at that time was old style, the attitude of fans overall was different.
Yes, I went to the replay and remember it was a great atmosphere as were the QFand replay and semi final. I was 16 and all those games left an impression, often which kept me going through the bad days or as I like to call it, “the Phil Neal nightmare” But the point about those games is that they were all EVENTS. And that’s what’s great atmosphere can create, it helps make the game an event. The other very good point people have made is that we can all see City every game on TV if we want and, coupled with the prices, it tends to take the magical aspect away, especially for younger people. We all know that there is a quid pro quo between success and losing the soul out of football and despite the great efforts of some fans perhaps that old style atmosphere will be forever list. All seaters definitely don’t help either. But tomorrow is a massive EVENT for us, PL or no PL, I just hope the fans who go can back the team with a wall of sound and it turns out a momentous win. It just takes the will to do it.
 
To be honest - we weren't loud that many times at Maine Road - I thought we had a fairly quiet ground for a lot of games - understandable as well..

I get what your saying and I only caught the last few seasons at Maine road, but I thought it was miles louder. We had a proper traditional ground, singing areas and working class match going fan. The etihad overall has been crap. We get one or two good atmospheres a season if that.

I think it’s just an excuse - Ie Maine road was quiet… it was a much louder ground overall and was built for lots of noise
 
How many people are in this 1894 group and how many show up for this bus thing? If all those just sang all game, would that not be enough? Surely if you are passionate enough to turn up for that at 6pm, then you are a die hard who will sing all game? How many bought tickets specifically to be in the singing section at Wembley? Did that work? (I accept going 3-0 down wouldn’t have helped but did it make any noticeable difference?)
I'm not saying it's all of them, far from it, and I'm not knocking the idea or anybody that's getting down there but a good chunk of the people that will go down for the bus won't have any voice when they get in the ground, the bus thing for a fair few is about playing the hooligan and getting it on film for their social media. It's the same thing for the concourse home and away too, singing their heads off on the concourse with cameras everywhere and sleep mode in their seat. That's not specific to city, it's the same with every club across the country, It's just the way football is now
 
I'm not saying it's all of them, far from it, and I'm not knocking the idea or anybody that's getting down there but a good chunk of the people that will go down for the bus won't have any voice when they get in the ground, the bus thing for a fair few is about playing the hooligan and getting it on film for their social media. It's the same thing for the concourse home and away too, singing their heads off on the concourse with cameras everywhere and sleep mode in their seat. That's not specific to city, it's the same with every club across the country, It's just the way football is now

I agree. a lot of these young lads are only going to these bus welcomes or jumping like mad on the concourse for likes on their social media pages. A lot of them are silent when in their seat
 
To be honest I feel the actual stadium plays some part in it. Feels like the bowls aren’t as good for atmosphere
It’s a terrible stadium in terms of aiding with atmosphere. You couldn’t design anything worse for it.

Small bottom tier and the overhang where the singers stand traps the noise into the back of the stand instead of pushing it out into the stadium, second tier too big, big open roof miles up the air…

To make it worse we utilise we’ve got in the worst possible way n’all. We’ve put everyone in the wrong place: singing section is in the wrong place and split into two, away fans are in the wrong place, family stand is in the wrong place, some of the corporate areas are in the wrong place…

We couldn’t be doing the whole thing any worse if we tried.
 
It’s a terrible stadium in terms of aiding with atmosphere. You couldn’t design anything worse for it.

Small bottom tier and the overhang where the singers stand traps the noise into the back of the stand instead of pushing it out into the stadium, second tier too big, big open roof miles up the air…

To make it worse we utilise we’ve got in the worst possible way n’all. We’ve put everyone in the wrong place: singing section is in the wrong place and split into two, away fans are in the wrong place, family stand is in the wrong place, some of the corporate areas are in the wrong place…

We couldn’t be doing the whole thing any worse if we tried.
Great post.
 
It’s a terrible stadium in terms of aiding with atmosphere. You couldn’t design anything worse for it.

Small bottom tier and the overhang where the singers stand traps the noise into the back of the stand instead of pushing it out into the stadium, second tier too big, big open roof miles up the air…

To make it worse we utilise we’ve got in the worst possible way n’all. We’ve put everyone in the wrong place: singing section is in the wrong place and split into two, away fans are in the wrong place, family stand is in the wrong place, some of the corporate areas are in the wrong place…

We couldn’t be doing the whole thing any worse if we tried.
Why do the singers stand in the worst possible spot though?

Surely that’s a choice and there are better places for spreading noise?
 
It is hard getting things going and to spread. We have 11 separate tiers and a roof designed to send noise up rather than out. Also tiers are separated by boxes all the way round and corporate seating. Fifty lads sing on the concourse and it sounds good, 150 sing in 115 and it doesnt even travel to the front of that block.

Saturday in the first half at 2 nil bluemoon was belted out, it spread and you could tell other tiers carried it on, sounded excellent.

Obvious reply is well the euro away fans manage to make enough noise and celtic did. That is organised singing whether it be drums or capo, with different chants that clap ( not songs ). We cant do that though, oh no no no fans would walk out if they heard singing along those lines ;)
Atalanta and Atlético fans didn’t bring a drum and they made a much better sounding noise than any fans who bring drums (Atalanta are my favourite fans who’ve been to the Etihad, I thought they sounded incredible, great original songs that were sung sporadically instead of monotonously and no drum). Neither of those sets of fans brought their full allocation neither.
 
Why do the singers stand in the worst possible spot though?

Surely that’s a choice and there are better places for spreading noise?
There are many better places that the singing section could be around the stadium. But even if they can’t be moved to a different tier/stand, if the core singers from the singing section stood here in green instead of where they are at the moment in red then their sound would be heard by more in SSL1 in general so there’d be more noise coming from SSL1 for the rest of the stadium to join in with …

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What would be the solution to this problem though? They can’t redesign the whole stadium
 
There are many better places that the singing section could be around the stadium. But even if they can’t be moved to a different tier/stand, if the core singers from the singing section stood here in green instead of where they are at the moment in red then their sound would be heard by more in SSL1 in general so there’d be more noise coming from SSL1 for the rest of the stadium to join in with …

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1. It can’t be done due to existing season ticket holders. The club won’t move existing season tickets holders.
2. There arent enough match days seats or rows available to create a large enough singing section. The club tried that with 115 and looked what happened with that. As it is now.
3. 1894 tried the green square a bit further down during a CL match. The first 3 rows. The seats were filled by people moving into that area for the game, but strangely not everybody sang. The singing/noise didn’t travel up the stand. The singers at the back of the stand did their own singing and only joined in with 1894 every now and again.
4. As a trial, it wasn’t a failure, but it wasn’t a great success either.
5. I got dogs abuse from the back of the stand for trialing and using a megaphone. :-)
 
This is how to do it. And with a ‘drum’, that is used properly, in time with the chant, aiding the chant, and not being bashed to death for the sake of it. How many fans? 1000-1500? Everyone singing and making a right racket.

Expand the video and turn on the sound.

 
This is how to do it. And with a ‘drum’, that is used properly, in time with the chant, aiding the chant, and not being bashed to death for the sake of it. How many fans? 1000-1500? Everyone singing and making a right racket.

Expand the video and turn on the sound.


We’re also very good away from home, and we don’t have as many 30-50 year old blokes as they do. That’s the entire demographic of that away end, ours are mostly families and we’re still mint away from home.

And he’s twatting fuck out of that drum. It’s not being done properly. After five minutes of that I’d be up smashing the drum over his head and putting the sticks up his arse.

Our fans, same stand, no drum:
 
It’s a terrible stadium in terms of aiding with atmosphere. You couldn’t design anything worse for it.

Small bottom tier and the overhang where the singers stand traps the noise into the back of the stand instead of pushing it out into the stadium, second tier too big, big open roof miles up the air…

To make it worse we utilise we’ve got in the worst possible way n’all. We’ve put everyone in the wrong place: singing section is in the wrong place and split into two, away fans are in the wrong place, family stand is in the wrong place, some of the corporate areas are in the wrong place…

We couldn’t be doing the whole thing any worse if we tried.


Yeah but.... all those who blame the shape of the roof and all that jazz - i'm pretty sure the Scoreboard End and the Popular Side could've been quite noisy in their day.
Get what i mean??! ;)
ie it's a roof. Wow, it's miles up in the air so doesn't help the sound???? Really????!! I guess no noise was ever made on the above mentioned stands....
 
We’re also very good away from home, and we don’t have as many 30-50 year old blokes as they do. That’s the entire demographic of that away end, ours are mostly families and we’re still mint away from home.

And he’s twatting fuck out of that drum. It’s not being done properly. After five minutes of that I’d be up smashing the drum over his head and putting the sticks up his arse.

Our fans, same stand, no drum:

Me and my boy were on the back row at Leicester that day and he was twatting hell out of the back wall and the noise it made was akin to him banging his drums at home. He wasn't the only one who sussed out and joined in with the back wall percussions but what a racket it made, was quality that day the atmosphere as you mentioned.
 
I'm not saying it's all of them, far from it, and I'm not knocking the idea or anybody that's getting down there but a good chunk of the people that will go down for the bus won't have any voice when they get in the ground, the bus thing for a fair few is about playing the hooligan and getting it on film for their social media. It's the same thing for the concourse home and away too, singing their heads off on the concourse with cameras everywhere and sleep mode in their seat. That's not specific to city, it's the same with every club across the country, It's just the way football is now
Yeah I get that impression. Seems trouble at grounds and outside is making a bit of a comeback too.
 
1. It can’t be done due to existing season ticket holders. The club won’t move existing season tickets holders.
2. There arent enough match days seats or rows available to create a large enough singing section. The club tried that with 115 and looked what happened with that. As it is now.
3. 1894 tried the green square a bit further down during a CL match. The first 3 rows. The seats were filled by people moving into that area for the game, but strangely not everybody sang. The singing/noise didn’t travel up the stand. The singers at the back of the stand did their own singing and only joined in with 1894 every now and again.
4. As a trial, it wasn’t a failure, but it wasn’t a great success either.
5. I got dogs abuse from the back of the stand for trialing and using a megaphone. :-)
1. Apart from when they want to open a new corporate section. They are quite happy to move existing ST holders then!

The mistake they made was SS3. They had a great opportunity to make that the stand for singing etc. it’s noisy up there when people can be bothered. They should have made the back 25 rows £250 (as I think it was priced “) but only for 18-30’s. No kids etc. Instead they didn’t think about it and offered those cheap seats to anyone who wanted them so the fella who only goes to 8 games a season thought “great I’ll have a bit of that and then the other 11 games I miss don’t matter. I don’t even need to sell them”

I’ve heard stories of people selling their seat up in the gods to tourists for the Liverpool match for £500! Paying for next years ST!

Biggest mistake they have made with the stadium for me.
 

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