The Boxing thread

bluemc1 said:
edge it to Corrales v Castillo just as it’s 10 rounds of just stood in front of each other trading back and forth
Always think Hagler Hearns was pretty one sided after the first round
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The cut on hagler's head was crazy and the blood piss out ? i always thought Hearns was a crazy fucker
 
Paul1970 said:
Who was your fave fighter from the four kings ? Mine was a he Detroit hitman hearns who should have beat sugar ray twice
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Hearts also, but I thought they were all fabulous. The story of Hearns breaking his hand in the 1st round of Hagler fight but not wanting it reported for several days and only getting it treated when he was home, so it didn't take away from Haglers win is the stuff of legend.
Shame Hagler retired as he did and the Leonard fight.
 
oldius said:
Comparing eras is almost impossible, especially because of the size difference. I suspect Tyson would be very difficult to beat in any era because of his skill, intelligence, and his sheer size. We will never know but the same debate has occurred for a hundred years, from Jack Johnson, Dempsey, Sam Langford, through Marciano, Louis, Ali, Tyson, and onward.
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Ali was a big guy with a punch and the ability to take nearly any other punch, he was faster than any heavyweight before or since. He was also very clever and skillful. He was the most complete heavyweight of all time in his prime. Its very easy to put him top of the tree, that's why he is nearly always guaged as the best in every poll.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Ali was a big guy with a punch and the ability to take nearly any other punch, he was faster than any heavyweight before or since. He was also very clever and skillful. He was the most complete heavyweight of all time in his prime. Its very easy to put him top of the tree, that's why he is nearly always guaged as the best in every poll.
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yep it’s the obvious choice but the correct one, every time there’s a heavyweight fight you will hear countless people say “ it’s heavyweight boxing and can all be over with one punch “

Ali fought for nearly 20 years through the toughest era in heavyweight history with some of the most feared and destructive punchers that have stepped in the ring. Not one of them managed that one punch

possibly the best chin in boxing
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Ali was a big guy with a punch and the ability to take nearly any other punch, he was faster than any heavyweight before or since. He was also very clever and skillful. He was the most complete heavyweight of all time in his prime. Its very easy to put him top of the tree, that's why he is nearly always guaged as the best in every poll.
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A truly gifted fighter but he did lose to Joe Frazier and Ken Norton (I don't count the fights later in his career). He was 50 pounds lighter than Fury, at his peak, and obviously would also give away height and reach. I don't doubt that he was one of the best, and probably THE best, but when we compare eras this way, the question becomes could he beat Fury, and I am not sure he could.
 
oldius said:
A truly gifted fighter but he did lose to Joe Frazier and Ken Norton (I don't count the fights later in his career). He was 50 pounds lighter than Fury, at his peak, and obviously would also give away height and reach. I don't doubt that he was one of the best, and probably THE best, but when we compare eras this way, the question becomes could he beat Fury, and I am not sure he could.
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yeah it’s impossible to compare from one era to another you just have to think of both in same era with same technology and training methods etc… who would’ve won
Have you watched the World Cup final from 1966 recently ? Any championship side would beat either team by 5 or more if you just picked them up then and dropped them on a pitch now but we don’t think if Bobby Moore and Charlton were born today they would be championship players
 
bluemc1 said:
yeah it’s impossible to compare from one era to another you just have to think of both in same era with same technology and training methods etc… who would’ve won
Have you watched the World Cup final from 1966 recently ? Any championship side would beat either team by 5 or more if you just picked them up then and dropped them on a pitch now but we don’t think if Bobby Moore and Charlton were born today they would be championship players
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Great point well made.
 
I'm not sure frazier did beat ali, he also went 10 rounds with norton with a broken jaw when he could have took the 4 round rule and flopped on a win....asked why he never he said he couldnt stand to read the headlines after they frazier-shafted him... the norton jaw fight ended with a nutty white yank bird who'd been stalkin ali since his comeback...she burst through the crowd and screamed in ali's face 'kenny norton the new white heavyweight champion of the world" so delirious was she and indeed the general mood around ali...ali called her near suffering with his jaw like he was...and dundee said his retort to her white kenny norton shout was " miss velvet green, the most evilest bitch i have ever seen" ( shed sat ringside since his comeback in a velvet green suit).

I'm struggling to work out how anyone could possibly think hearns should have beat sugar at welter....the most fascinating thing about that fight was how leonard beat him to the jab.
 
oldius said:
A truly gifted fighter but he did lose to Joe Frazier and Ken Norton (I don't count the fights later in his career). He was 50 pounds lighter than Fury, at his peak, and obviously would also give away height and reach. I don't doubt that he was one of the best, and probably THE best, but when we compare eras this way, the question becomes could he beat Fury, and I am not sure he could.
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Easily. Fury is so slow compared to Ali. He's not fought anyone even close to Ali. The current crop are poor compared to the 70s. But you can only beat whats in front of you.

Fair plays to Fury, he is very good, but not even in my top five. Ali, Lewis, Tyson, Foreman and Vitali K would have all beaten him comfortably IMHO.
 
bluemc1 said:
yeah it’s impossible to compare from one era to another you just have to think of both in same era with same technology and training methods etc… who would’ve won
Have you watched the World Cup final from 1966 recently ? Any championship side would beat either team by 5 or more if you just picked them up then and dropped them on a pitch now but we don’t think if Bobby Moore and Charlton were born today they would be championship players
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Johnny Giles would’ve taken either of them.
 
bluemc1 said:
yeah it’s impossible to compare from one era to another you just have to think of both in same era with same technology and training methods etc… who would’ve won
Have you watched the World Cup final from 1966 recently ? Any championship side would beat either team by 5 or more if you just picked them up then and dropped them on a pitch now but we don’t think if Bobby Moore and Charlton were born today they would be championship players
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Boxing is different. Boxers haven't speeded up the past 40 years. Sure they have got bigger but they have also got a lot slower. And many are just not as skillful. Same reason Cruff Pele Maradona, Best, Puskas etc would still be top of their game today.
 
bluemc1 said:
yep it’s the obvious choice but the correct one, every time there’s a heavyweight fight you will hear countless people say “ it’s heavyweight boxing and can all be over with one punch “

Ali fought for nearly 20 years through the toughest era in heavyweight history with some of the most feared and destructive punchers that have stepped in the ring. Not one of them managed that one punch

possibly the best chin in boxing
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Also lost 3 plus years of his prime to politics. The only thing that detracts from Ali as a person imo was his belittling of Frasier, with the uncle Tom jibes. Unecessary and unpleasant.
 
Its worth evaluating that whyte going backwards through the air landing shouldblades first....is actualy a bigger fella than foreman....well done to fury for asking the ref to bring the curtain down.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Hearts also, but I thought they were all fabulous. The story of Hearns breaking his hand in the 1st round of Hagler fight but not wanting it reported for several days and only getting it treated when he was home, so it didn't take away from Haglers win is the stuff of legend.
Shame Hagler retired as he did and the Leonard fight.
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I agree . Watched the sugar fight that many times and I still change my mind constantly . Love the first Duran Leonard fight especially at the end when sugar puts his hand out to say fair and Duran growls at him . Legends who will never be surpassed .
 
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