UEFA Independent Inquiry

[mat]

Liverpool FC go to is legal action threats anytime their "brand" is threatened.(Also known as the Yank defence)

The inquiry will have to be watertight legally otherwise those cunts will take UEFA to the cleaners. Unlike us theyll be lorded for it...

 

[Jesus H Gabz]

I'd wait and see what the inquiry says. I think you're right, because all the snides seem to be in the Liverpool end, but its not the only possibility.

If you watch that clip from Sky TV from the fanzone before the game where they said 50 thousand liverpool fans were in Paris, someone from TAW said a load of UEFA tickets had become available shortly before the game and had been snapped up by Liverpool fans.

You don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to work out what really went on.

I got the email…..

 

[M18CTID]

Someone saying 90% were fakes is about as credible as a reporter saying there weren't any. The only way of knowing is when the tickets are scanned and found to have already been used. The only people who would be in possession of that information would be the French organisers. If the French authorities said 40,000 duplicate tickets were scanned there's no real reason to disbelieve them. If they were making it up they would more likely use a number that sounded more credible. Hopefully it will be possible for the French to work out exactly how many tickets were cloned. I suspect it's in the low hundreds but each one cloned quite a few times.

Yeah, I appreciate that 90% is (very!) high but what I took from that post is that he was basing his assumption on what you’ve suggested - that he witnessed loads being refused entry at the turnstiles when scanning their tickets.

 

[I'm Blue]

Liverpool FC go to is legal action threats anytime their "brand" is threatened.(Also known as the Yank defence)

The inquiry will have to be watertight legally otherwise those cunts will take UEFA to the cleaners. Unlike us theyll be lorded for it...

Could we give UEFA a lend of our lawyer’s?

 

[ShedDweller]

There’s serious money involved here even 10,000 fake tickets at £100 each means £1M so its likely that an organised crime group will be involved. They will have the same ticket printing systems as the organisers. It won’t be some knob in a pub with an inkjet printer…

That said, I wouldn’t be surprised if there were some of them too

 

[danielwood5]

I read the Bernard Cornwell novel on Azincourt some years ago, excellent book like all his novels, but it was published as Agincourt in the States. I'm sure other people in other countries pronounce and spell British names differently than we do but I find it funny when clueless journos work themselves into a lather about correct pronunciation and then carry on talking about Innyacho and Angelinio. Would love to visit the museum of I ever visit the area.

Azincourt is the French spelling and Agincourt is the British. I agree, it's a fantastic book, may have to dig it out and have another read of it.

 

[Segga]

We all now what’s happened, and it’s chillingly similar to Hillsborough. A mix of Scouse vermin who can play to the rules trying to jib in, enter with fake tickets meaning over crowding and a police force woefully under prepared and poorly policed. The journalists are a joke they are absolutely shit feared of smearing liverpools name.

 

[Manx Blue]

No, it means someone who had access to the tickets had access to the data.

In the case of tickets obtained via a ticket agency that could mean the ticket agency, or it could mean someone at UEFA before the tickets were dispatched to the agency.

And if the tickets came via the club, it could mean that someone either at UEFA or at the club had access to the QR codes.

Even now, though, I haven't heard of any problems with the QR codes at the Madrid end.

Which would surely mean someone internally at LFC?

 

[west didsblue]

Yeah, I appreciate that 90% is (very!) high but what I took from that post is that he was basing his assumption on what you’ve suggested - that he witnessed loads being refused entry at the turnstiles when scanning their tickets.

I thought that report came from someone at a checkpoint rather than a turnstile but thinking about it it would make no sense unless it was at a turnstile.

 

[shackattack]

Wasn't there but I would imagine there was not 40k fake tickets and would imagine there was more like 2-3k ( might be way out with that estimate mind)
So let's say each ticket was sold for £50 that's 100-150k to be made.
So in the weeks leading up to the game and they estimated 40-50k travelling without tickets ,they now know the demand is there. So without those 40k there is no demand and money to be made.
So the club saying they advise people not to travel and Klopp who says " party in Paris " should accept that a lot of the blame lies at them. This is a poor part of Paris and a stadium that had a terrorist attack on it a few years ago. I really don't see what choice the authorities had and I would be saying the same if it was my club involved.

 

[west didsblue]

We all now what’s happened, and it’s chillingly similar to Hillsborough. A mix of Scouse vermin who can play to the rules trying to jib in, enter with fake tickets meaning over crowding and a police force woefully under prepared and poorly policed. The journalists are a joke they are absolutely shit feared of smearing liverpools name.

Nothing like Hillsborough. The total occupancy at Hillsborough wasn’t the problem. It was the fact they were all in the central pen. The side pens were nearly empty and the police failed to block off access to the overcrowded area and direct fans to the sides.

 

[Manx Blue]

At the Real semi final names were printed on tickets and checked against passports, and I know at least one person who chanced it and was turned away. The easiest thing to do, surely, would be something similar?

Having read the athletic/times reports, listening to a few eyewitness, and chatted to a few scousers while in Paris, I suspect the report will claim:

- There were some fake tickets, but these have been radically overstated by French authorities.
- That locals were jumping gates, but these have been overstated by British media.
- That there weren't enough gates, the route was poorly organized, and the system broke down too quickly from the pressures above.
- That the police overreacted to the system breaking down.

There's a bit too much glee, and a few too many willing to take Uefa/Paris police's side of the story, due to our rivalry. We'll see, though, I suppose.

The report will not say that.

The stadium has held a World Cup final, countless football, rugby internationls and concerts which appear to (apart from the terrorist attack) gone without incident with the same amount of gates.

Also you don't decide to withold the use of gates, because you need them in an emergency.

 

[Bozo]

Anyone know if there were any issues with Real Madrid fans when entering?

 

[shackattack]

The report will not say that.

The stadium has held a World Cup final, countless football, rugby internationls and concerts which appear to (apart from the terrorist attack) gone without incident with the same amount of gates.

Also you don't decide to withold the use of gates, because you need them in an emergency.

And Arsenal played Barcelona in a CL final there in 2006. Without searching I can't recollect any incidents at that game at all.

 

[shackattack]

Anyone know if there were any issues with Real Madrid fans when entering?

There are reports of some but on nowhere near the scale of the liverpool fans. Madrid fans were bussed in by their club from their fanzone as it was much closer to the stadium.
I think an important difference as well is the culture of other football fans. We tend to get to stadiums at the last minute and often pissed and berate the authorities for not letting us in on time.

 

[oldhamblue]

I'm sure the result of any official inquiry will find it was all the fault of the South Yorkshire police.

 

[Octavian]

Nothing like Hillsborough. The total occupancy at Hillsborough wasn’t the problem. It was the fact they were all in the central pen. The side pens were nearly empty and the police failed to block off access to the overcrowded area and direct fans to the sides.

Very true, Leppings Lane was barely full on either side of the central paddock, the problem was these pens and nowhere to go left or right and very little room to go forward other than climb the fence, altho I think they may have stopped a hillsborough like scenario from happening on Saturday. We all know how packed concourses can get with a full capacity and adding a few thousand in to one that’s already at capacity is a recipe for disaster.

 

[doots]

There are reports of some but on nowhere near the scale of the liverpool fans. Madrid fans were bussed in by their club from their fanzone as it was much closer to the stadium.
I think an important difference as well is the culture of other football fans. We tend to get to stadiums at the last minute and often pissed and berate the authorities for not letting us in on time.

Been mentioned earlier but on this occasion the dippers end of the stadium was quite full way ahead of kick off with loads still outside thus the question was raised, were the majority of snide tkt holders already in causing the genuine tkts to be knocked back?

 

[west didsblue]

There are reports of some but on nowhere near the scale of the liverpool fans. Madrid fans were bussed in by their club from their fanzone as it was much closer to the stadium.
I think an important difference as well is the culture of other football fans. We tend to get to stadiums at the last minute and often pissed and berate the authorities for not letting us in on time.

I’m pretty sure the Liverpool fans got there early for this one. They needed to be in first with their snide tickets before the owners of the real ones used theirs.

 

[west didsblue]

Been mentioned earlier but on this occasion the dippers end of the stadium was quite full way ahead of kick off with loads still outside thus the question was raised, were the majority of snide tkt holders already in causing the genuine tkts to be knocked back?

I would guess yes. We’ll see if the official enquiry supports that theory fairly soon.