Kalvin Phillips | Joins City on a 6-year deal

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SterlingSilvas said:
Bit Harsh, you're looking for players that can drop into one of the most technical and possession based sides in the world right now, at a games notice and perform without the team losing a step. They need to be able to drop a 6 or 7/10 no questions asked.

A youth product would be great but they don't have the experience with the gap between PL2 and PL (our level) being what it is.
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Couldn't agree more. Why Is Kalvin Phillips more qualified to do it, than an academy player who has been playing the same technical, possession based football in our youth sides and has spent considerable time training every day with our 1st team?
 
OrigamiNinja said:
How is he meant to achieve this? He will be on the bench for 80%+ of the games we play. The only way he gets any sustained time in the team is through an unthinkable Rodri injury.

Look at Ake, the very same arguments were made for us signing him. For the 1st season, he was dump. Last season he was far better but still backup. It has led to transfer speculation around him being too good to play just a dozen PL games a season and him wanting more game time. He either stays and has a repeat of last season or he leaves. He will not be replacing any of the 3 CBs currently in front of him (unless they get injured).

How will the Phillips situation play out any differently? If he has a 1st season like Ake, the £50m price looks absolutely ridiculous. If he plays well in his limited opportunities, he will be then linked with more game time elsewhere.

We have to bring players in who have the capability to become 1st choice in the position they play, whether that be straight away or in a couple of years. You don't pay £40m+ for players who will never be anything more than a backup. If Phillips was out of contract, or available for a pittance, by all means bring him in, but £40m+ for someone to give Rodri a rest? Nah, use the academy for that.
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I don't agree. I think Ake was exceptional when he played towards the back end of the season and I'd like to see him and Dias paired as Laporte looked shakey.

Not sure how that translates to Philips but I'm not seeing a wealth of quality midfielders either.
 
OrigamiNinja said:
How is he meant to achieve this? He will be on the bench for 80%+ of the games we play. The only way he gets any sustained time in the team is through an unthinkable Rodri injury.

Look at Ake, the very same arguments were made for us signing him. For the 1st season, he was dump. Last season he was far better but still backup. It has led to transfer speculation around him being too good to play just a dozen PL games a season and him wanting more game time. He either stays and has a repeat of last season or he leaves. He will not be replacing any of the 3 CBs currently in front of him (unless they get injured).

How will the Phillips situation play out any differently? If he has a 1st season like Ake, the £50m price looks absolutely ridiculous. If he plays well in his limited opportunities, he will be then linked with more game time elsewhere.

We have to bring players in who have the capability to become 1st choice in the position they play, whether that be straight away or in a couple of years. You don't pay £40m+ for players who will never be anything more than a backup. If Phillips was out of contract, or available for a pittance, by all means bring him in, but £40m+ for someone to give Rodri a rest? Nah, use the academy for that.
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So basically you don’t think we need a squad of quality players and should just pad it out with academy players after the best IX or so?

Maybe you didn’t see the last couple of games and the issues we had but you absolutely do need a squad of top quality players in order to compete for several trophies.

I don’t think you could possibly be more wrong.
 
OrigamiNinja said:
Couldn't agree more. Why Is Kalvin Phillips more qualified to do it, than an academy player who has been playing the same technical, possession based football in our youth sides and has spent considerable time training every day with our 1st team?
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Experience. Full international with over 200 games in his locker. The quality just from PL2 level and first team level is just too big a gap (Palmer & Foden can be integrated high up the pitch and protected wide). A loan 6 in this side, not so much.

Lavia could prob do it in a season or two, its just a timing thing with Dinho's age etc needed to lineup perfectly and its just out of sync, hopefully he gets a shot at being 3rd string or a very decent loan and playing time.
 
UsFansKnowNowt said:
OMG, I'm not sure what football you lot watch or whether you are youngsters playing FIFA. Kalvin Phillips is perhaps the most 1 dimensional centre midfielder I've seen since Nigel DeJong. Yes he could wear a number 8 shirt and run up and down the pitch but so could my wife. What he certainly couldn't do is what KDB or Gundogan does and that's pass accurately and create whilst running and score goals. He is nothing more than a stopper, disrupter, slower downer and sideways passer and if your eyes are seeing anything else then get them bloody tested before doing anything that might kill you because they are not working!
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User name checks out.
 
BillyShears said:
Why are you so arsed and why are you ranting about it? If Guardiola wants Phillips, he can have him. And just because you don't think he'll play regularly that doesn't automatically make it true, unless of course your Pep, in which case you should get back to the golf course and call Txiki to moan at him.
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Where is the rant? Its an opinion. Something you, of all people on here, should be very familiar with.

Of course Pep will get him if he wants him, as he should. It doesn't mean others aren't an allowed an opinion on it, or maybe it does.
 
OrigamiNinja said:
Couldn't agree more. Why Is Kalvin Phillips more qualified to do it, than an academy player who has been playing the same technical, possession based football in our youth sides and has spent considerable time training every day with our 1st team?
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There don’t seem to be any players at the academy to fill the position. Did you have anybody in particular in mind?
 
JDV said:
Pep was a former CDM himself so if anyone can get the absolute maximum out of KP, it's Pep. I think we'll be very surprised at how good he ends up in a few years under Peps guidance + a very good team surrounding him.
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Alan Ball was a right winger…
 
OrigamiNinja said:
Where is the rant? Its an opinion. Something you, of all people on here, should be very familiar with.

Of course Pep will get him if he wants him, as he should. It doesn't mean others aren't an allowed an opinion on it, or maybe it does.
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An opinion, sure. But the tone seems quite angry. But it might just be lost in translation. I think our recruitment has been excellent the last few years but people on here seem overly critical.
 
HelloCity said:
So basically you don’t think we need a squad of quality players and should just pad it out with academy players after the best IX or so?

Maybe you didn’t see the last couple of games and the issues we had but you absolutely do need a squad of top quality players in order to compete for several trophies.

I don’t think you could possibly be more wrong.
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That's not what I am saying at all. I am saying that ideally you have a bunch of experienced players who can consistently rotate as needed, with academy players backing them up for the odd 10 mins here, 20 mins there, or the odd game.

Personally, I don't see Phillips as rotation material with Rodri. I think we will see Rodri flogged for the majority of games (as he was this season) and then we will see his £40m+ backup come in for the odd game and the drop off in quality be huge. Firstly, because Phillips is not in the same league as Rodri (not many are) and secondly because in fairness to Phillips, he won't have played enough to be up to speed. Example - I don't think that Fern was a bad as some of his performances made him look last season, but when you aren't playing regular football, it is difficult to come in and be at the required level in this side. As someone else pointed out, you are expected to come in and drop a 7/10 performance, even if you haven't played for a month.

Others may think that Phillips will get similar game time to Rodri. If that happens, my argument goes up in smoke and I will be more than happy to come on here and hold my hands up.
 
BillyShears said:
Why are you so arsed and why are you ranting about it? If Guardiola wants Phillips, he can have him. And just because you don't think he'll play regularly that doesn't automatically make it true, unless of course your Pep, in which case you should get back to the golf course and call Txiki to moan at him.
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Pep will turn him into a "Regista".
 
OrigamiNinja said:
That's not what I am saying at all. I am saying that ideally you have a bunch of experienced players who can consistently rotate as needed, with academy players backing them up for the odd 10 mins here, 20 mins there, or the odd game.

Personally, I don't see Phillips as rotation material with Rodri. I think we will see Rodri flogged for the majority of games (as he was this season) and then we will see his £40m+ backup come in for the odd game and the drop off in quality be huge. Firstly, because Phillips is not in the same league as Rodri (not many are) and secondly because in fairness to Phillips, he won't have played enough to be up to speed. Example - I don't think that Fern was a bad as some of his performances made him look last season, but when you aren't playing regular football, it is difficult to come in and be at the required level in this side. As someone else pointed out, you are expected to come in and drop a 7/10 performance, even if you haven't played for a month.

Others may think that Phillips will get similar game time to Rodri. If that happens, my argument goes up in smoke and I will be more than happy to come on here and hold my hands up.
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Maybe you’re right and the everyone running Manchester City - one of the most successful clubs in the world - are wrong? Sounds like we’ve been on completely the wrong path this decade. Oh well.
 
NorthamptonBlue said:
There don’t seem to be any players at the academy to fill the position. Did you have anybody in particular in mind?
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Its difficult because we don't really give our youngsters any minutes at all. Lavia was on the bench a number of times last season and we didn't get to see whether he was any good or not, which is probably why we end up spending £40m on backups.

I fully expect that in the short-term Phillips is a better option than any of our potential academy players for that position. What we won't know, is whether or not it has a negative impact on the long-term for these academy players. Some will argue that if for example Lavia is good enough, having Phillips there won't stand in his way. I don't see how it doesn't.
 
For what it’s worth, we watched Lavia quite a few times last season and I’d have no qualms with him getting minutes at some point, or a loan to the championship. Finds time and space, does the easy things well and like all those kids has great technical ability.
 
TonyM said:
Are the women's team looking for water carriers too?
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Nice jugs :-)
 
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