Can they ever be caught?

Unfortunate that we cant see the table from the initial post, think it would be a nice reminder of how far we have come (nevermind, just saw it)...

The answer to the question in the title though, is absofuckinglutely.
 
handsofstone said:
Total of above (2017)
United 40
Liverpool 38
Arsenal 27
Chelsea 19
Spurs 14
City 13


Total of above (Today)
+3 Liverpool 41
+0 United 40
+0 Arsenal 27
+9 City 22
+2 Chelsea 21
+0 Villa 20
+0 Spurs 14

So in the last 5 years we've added 9 trophies, Dippers 3, Chelsea 2 (shouldnt this be three, FA, Europa and ahcmapions league?) and the rest Nil

We can close the gap, it'll take time...but it's possible, we ain't going anywhere
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Is that proper trophies or does it include all the stupid super cups and comm shields etc?
 
Ever? Yes, of course they can be caught.

Just as Liverpool were about to embark on their period of domination through the 1970s and 80s, City had won the same number of trophies as them in the first 80-odd years of both clubs.

By 1972…
City: 2 league titles, 4 FA Cups, 1 League Cup, 3 Charity Shields, 1 European Cup Winners’ Cup - 11 trophies
Liverpool: 7 league titles, 1 FA Cup, 3 Charity Shields - 11 trophies

From 1972 to 1992, Liverpool had two decades where they won 36 trophies, where City won 1 trophy.

Look at United before they went on their period of domination through the 1990s to the 2010s, they’d won about the same number of trophies as Aston Villa (United 23 trophies by 1989 and Villa 20 trophies by 1989, with both having won 7 league titles and 1 European Cup). Then United won 43 trophies from 1990-2017 in a period where Villa won 2 trophies.

City are currently having our period of domination. In the last eleven years we’ve won 17 trophies. Give us two full decades of domination like Liverpool had and we’ll be touching around 30 trophies between 2011 and 2031, and give us nearly three decades like United had and we’ll be up there touching 40 trophies between 2011 and 2038. We’ll be right up there with the top numbers of trophy winners in this country.

In another 50 years’ time, clubs like Liverpool and United could be stale old clubs who had successful periods of domination well in the past. City could too. It could be Leeds and West Ham that are the big clubs by then, neither been traditional regular trophy winners but they both have huge potential to be so.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
Is that proper trophies or does it include all the stupid super cups and comm shields etc?
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They aren’t stupid. Every single club in Europe and South America count them in their honours lists. And rightly so!
 
In today's football, it seems impossible that City catch United/Liverpool in the next 2 decades. There's so much money in football, clubs will spend just as much, and sometimes just as smart as you.

It's already an unbelievable achievement to win 4 of the last 5 titles. Carrying that level of winning on for 20 years seems mad to even think about.

If I was to guess, in 10 years time, City would be on 11 or 12 titles. Newcastle might win 1 or 2 depending on how quickly they get their plans in motion. After that, might be 1 each from a couple of other clubs.
 
Blue Coop said:
Last Updated: 2021/2022 season!

Here is where City stand on the four major trophy fronts, each one just listed as far so to include Spurs, United, Liverpool, City, Arsenal and Chelsea.

Top Division Title
Man United 20
Liverpool 19
Arsenal 13
Everton 9
City 8
Villa 7
Sunderland 6
Chelsea 6
Spurs 2

FA Cup
Arsenal 14
United 12
Spurs 8
Chelsea 8
Liverpool 8
Villa 7
City 6
Blackburn 6
Newcastle 6

League Cup
Liverpool 9
City 8
United 5
Villa 5
Chelsea 5
Spurs 4
Forest 4
Leicester 3
Arsenal 2

European Cup
Liverpool 6
United 3
Forest 2
Chelsea 2
Villa 1
City 0
Arsenal 0
Spurs 0

Total of above
Liverpool 41
United 40
Arsenal 27
City 22
Chelsea 21
Villa 20
Spurs 14
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Cup winners cup makes us 23. Was a big deal back then.
 
RACHACE said:
I think that the whole football league system will change so much over the next decade or so that we won't catch Liverpool or Manure in the domestic league titles list.

However, we will probably be very well placed to top the English list of winners of a European league of some sort.
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Controversial
 
OB1 said:
Likewise.

My personal goal for the team is to get to the point of being recognised as the best in the world i.e. be worthy winners of the UCL and then World Club Championship.
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This was my post when this thread first appeared in 2019 and the goal reamins. However, I do believe that City are currently the best club side in the world but need to get those trophies to remove any debate.

No idea how long City will stay at the top but as I have just bought my 50th straight season ticket, I'm very relaxed about what the immediate future holds for the club.

More than trophies, I just want the team to keep entertaining me.
 
LangleyBlue1970 said:
The damage has been done to united now. I believe they’ll sink into obscurity as far as the league is concerned. Maybe the odd domestic cup here and there.

They’ve been left behind too far, and comedy appointments like Wally Gunnar have helped seal that. The big players won’t go there. They’ll attract the next level - for money.

You can sense it in their fans’ attitude. They know they’re back to pre-premier league and they will be on a long, long road before they realistically have a title winning side and us and Liverpool go on the decline. Foot ball is cyclical, and this is a prime example of that.

I go into the next 20 years of my life with them a nothing of a club, with us gobbling up title after title. We’ll surpass their league title haul. 100%.
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At a family gathering two days before the Watford final, I said to two of my United supporting cousins that Liverpool would get to 21 top league titles before they did.
 
11 years ago last April, we had only won two Top-Flight Titles, four FA cups, two League cups and a cup winners cup in Europe. These trophy totals have increased by 6, 2. 6 and 0 in 11 years.
Not bad for a club that used to specialise in messing up
 
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RACHACE said:
I think that the whole football league system will change so much over the next decade or so that we won't catch Liverpool or Manure in the domestic league titles list.

However, we will probably be very well placed to top the English list of winners of a European league of some sort.
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KS55 said:
Controversial
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It could have happened sooner than I thought. Luckily it didn't.
 
LangleyBlue1970 said:
The damage has been done to united now. I believe they’ll sink into obscurity as far as the league is concerned. Maybe the odd domestic cup here and there.

They’ve been left behind too far, and comedy appointments like Wally Gunnar have helped seal that. The big players won’t go there. They’ll attract the next level - for money.

You can sense it in their fans’ attitude. They know they’re back to pre-premier league and they will be on a long, long road before they realistically have a title winning side and us and Liverpool go on the decline. Foot ball is cyclical, and this is a prime example of that.

I go into the next 20 years of my life with them a nothing of a club, with us gobbling up title after title. We’ll surpass their league title haul. 100%.
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I was chatting to a City supporting neighbour last week when the local armchair rag joined us. As anticipated, he turned the conversation round to them within seconds, bemoaning the fact that the Premiership is now "all about big business" and that he'd lost interest in going to see his beloved team as a consequence (clearly, a poorly disguised snide dig at us). I bit my tongue but was tempted to ask him whether he felt that way when the rags were outspending everyone and winning every trophy in sight. Isn't it funny how some fans have a selective memory?
 
Kippaxpete said:
I was chatting to a City supporting neighbour last week when the local armchair rag joined us. As anticipated, he turned the conversation round to them within seconds, bemoaning the fact that the Premiership is now "all about big business" and that he'd lost interest in going to see his beloved team as a consequence (clearly, a poorly disguised snide dig at us). I bit my tongue but was tempted to ask him whether he felt that way when the rags were outspending everyone and winning every trophy in sight. Isn't it funny how some fans have a selective memory?
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Hypocrisy is rife.
 
LangleyBlue1970 said:
The damage has been done to united now. I believe they’ll sink into obscurity as far as the league is concerned. Maybe the odd domestic cup here and there.

They’ve been left behind too far, and comedy appointments like Wally Gunnar have helped seal that. The big players won’t go there. They’ll attract the next level - for money.

You can sense it in their fans’ attitude. They know they’re back to pre-premier league and they will be on a long, long road before they realistically have a title winning side and us and Liverpool go on the decline. Foot ball is cyclical, and this is a prime example of that.

I go into the next 20 years of my life with them a nothing of a club, with us gobbling up title after title. We’ll surpass their league title haul. 100%.
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The damage isn’t done to United until the money stops coming in.

Until they drop behind us, Liverpool and Chelsea financially then they’re only ever 2/3 years of good management away from being a contender again.

That will probably take another 5-10 years like the last decade.
 
RACHACE said:
It could have happened sooner than I thought. Luckily it didn't.
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Yes, interesting to look back on your quote of a few years ago and what actually happened. Teabag says the euro league idea is still alive. It may be that euro league is the only answer they have to the increasing dominance of the PL in world media markets and what that means for relative wealth and players wages.
If a euro league is the only answer, it will happen. What will the PL do then? Will the American redshirts stick by the agreement to not participate? Fat chance!
 
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