Russian invasion of Ukraine

JASR said:
...and no capability for launching the future of aircraft - drones - with a catapult.
...and having not much air defence ( becuase we have hardly any ships and the Type 45's built for the purpose of carrier defense have multiple issues (engine issues, not much armament, not enough of them). The loss of the Moskva shows what a single missile can do to a capital ship. Launch a few (what, a couple of £million) and take out a ship that's taken that long to build and cost x8000 more.
...and swallowed up a considerable amount of an already stretched defense budget (Ajax fiasco being another).
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Is the plane thing still an issue? thought we had the f35's for it now?

Edit: unsure of validity here but sounds like it was just a bit of a myth?
ukdefencejournal.org.uk

'Carrier with no planes' - The myth that's even being repeated by MPs

The first jets touched down in 2018.
ukdefencejournal.org.uk ukdefencejournal.org.uk
 
grunge said:
Is the plane thing still an issue? thought we had the f35's for it now?

Edit: unsure of validity here but sounds like it was just a bit of a myth?
ukdefencejournal.org.uk

'Carrier with no planes' - The myth that's even being repeated by MPs

The first jets touched down in 2018.
ukdefencejournal.org.uk ukdefencejournal.org.uk
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The 'Myth' is that the carrier arrived before the F35's. Which is true, due to Many issues, but mainly software that needed to be overcome. the UK F35 is the most complicated - V/STOL capable.
The carriers (last I recall) were a mixture of UK & US F35's, as the Uk still din't have enough.

Because of the lack of catapult's (not nuclear/cost/space etc etc), we have the V/STOL F35 - which means it can't carry as much armament/fuel as other versions. So further eroding the combat effectiveness of the carrier (itself limited because it's not nuclear).

And the lack of catapults means that the future - heavy drones - can't be used.

They are effectively a helicopter carrier that can do V/STOL for a singular aircraft type (the F35).
 
JASR said:
The 'Myth' is that the carrier arrived before the F35's. Which is true, due to Many issues, but mainly software that needed to be overcome. the UK F35 is the most complicated - V/STOL capable.
The carriers (last I recall) were a mixture of UK & US F35's, as the Uk still din't have enough.

Because of the lack of catapult's (not nuclear/cost/space etc etc), we have the V/STOL F35 - which means it can't carry as much armament/fuel as other versions. So further eroding the combat effectiveness of the carrier (itself limited because it's not nuclear).

And the lack of catapults means that the future - heavy drones - can't be used.

They are effectively a helicopter carrier that can do V/STOL for a singular aircraft type (the F35).
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It’s still better than the coal fired aircraft carrier the Russians have. That can be seen from space ;)

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JASR said:
...and no capability for launching the future of aircraft - drones - with a catapult.
...and having not much air defence ( becuase we have hardly any ships and the Type 45's built for the purpose of carrier defense have multiple issues (engine issues, not much armament, not enough of them). The loss of the Moskva shows what a single missile can do to a capital ship. Launch a few (what, a couple of £million) and take out a ship that's taken that long to build and cost x8000 more.
...and swallowed up a considerable amount of an already stretched defense budget (Ajax fiasco being another).
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No sure what it's got to do with the Americans, but it strained our defence budget and was probably the best option we could afford.
 
Blue Mist said:
I have long thought that it wasn't about building an aircraft carrier, it was about keeping jobs in impoverished areas.
But what do i know !!
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Spot on it keeps traditional skills such as working and making something alive where otherwise the skills should we ever need them in earnest would be lost. That and it projects British military strength worldwide.
 
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