I bet we do get near to £50m Brighton are asking. Don't see why some people are so upset about it. If he is good enough and stays with us for 5 years plus £50m is a good price. We are selling players that have never kicked a ball in premier league for £10m plus.We can and we will for the reasons I have already outlined. The only way this will change is if Brighton take the price we are offering as we won’t be going anywhere near their silly demand of 50m.
Dream on City aren’t paying £50m for your left back, tbh we shouldn’t even go to £40m I’d say about £36/37m is enough for Cucurella, anyway it looks like your interested in Williams from the rags so the deal maybe close.You can say that about any player. But you still think a package of £40m is reasonable. I honestly think Cucurella deal isn't going to be about value as we don't want to sell. It therefore has to be about being Peps number 1 target. With that in mind £50m can't be out of the question. If he isn't Peps number 1 target and you only want value transfers then you will walk away.
To be fair, 40 plus 5 in add ons is a strong proposal...I agree that they have a right to ask for more but we also have the right to move on...I don't see the club as acting entitled in any way...I see more people being restless and impatient than I see entitled...there may be a few, but the reason we've become hated is because we win a whole bunch...if we were to win the CL you'll see the hate meter rise even more...We shouldn't worry about the scorn thrown our way by those who would love to be in our current position...I'll never feel guilty about being TOO good or winning TOO much...if we were to win 3 quadruples in a row I'd still be ravenous for more...just sayin'...Why do you think it's our right to sign every player we want ?
They have a valuation, it's up to us to pay it, and we either pay or go onto the next target, simple.
It's understanable why we have become hated by other fan bases, we are becoming dipper like.
Am I reading too much into cancelo starting at RB and Wilson Esbrand and LB with Walker on the bench? That says to me that if we had signed or go sign Cucurella that he will start LB with Cancelo RB? Considering Cancelo was LB and Walker RB last season and both were available fir the game it seems pep is planning for Cucurella to start.
In your opinion.We have been ripped plenty of times well before the present ownership, a player is valued by his present club, either pay or move along, but 50m in this market and for a club that has paid 50m plus for 3 previous FB, is not unreasonable.
Obviously mate if we pay £50m so be it, it won’t be the first time we’ve overpaid for a player like you said, but can you see City increasing £20m from our opening bid because I can’t, maybe £10m including add ons.If we pay £50m then that's what we think he's worth. If we think he's worth £40m and Brighton want £50m then it's up to us isn't it. Wouldn't be the first time we've overpaid for a player.
That's harsh...I'm willing to bet this kid becomes a top quality player at City...you're letting Brighton's asking price and the thoughts of some of their fans project onto the player...if you really feel that way about him then I'll just weigh in as a dissenting vote...I'd sign the hippy then loan him out to Bournemouth or Palace just to piss on the Seagulls chips.
He isn't even that good. Had one good season last year and he's worth 50m? Is he fuck. If zinner only went for 30m plus with 4 premier leagues in his back pocket, a full international and years of premier league experience then why is this clown worth more?
Like always seems to happen with us trying to sign players, greedy chairman at the selling club suddenly stick a few quid on the valuation.
All these Brighton fans on here all of a sudden are getting tedius with their holier than thou attitude towards it. Do one.
I'm hoping pep throws Wilson Esbrand in and he comes up smelling of roses and shines, it'll save us money buying this one season wonder.
And some have become really boring bastards.Totally agree but a lot of our fans are becoming entitled and it is rising.
I said nothing about the club been entitled, just some of our fan base.To be fair, 40 plus 5 in add ons is a strong proposal...I agree that they have a right to ask for more but we also have the right to move on...I don't see the club as acting entitled in any way...I see more people being restless and impatient than I see entitled...there may be a few, but the reason we've become hated is because we win a whole bunch...if we were to win the CL you'll see the hate meter rise even more...We shouldn't worry about the scorn thrown our way by those who would love to be in our current position...I'll never feel guilty about being TOO good or winning TOO much...if we were to win 3 quadruples in a row I'd still be ravenous for more...just sayin'...
owchAnd some have become really boring bastards.
True, but there is a human factor here. Clubs don’t want to seen as a soft touch and players want to maximise their potential, their success and their earnings. As much as the negotiating parties want to pour all the entities into a graphical mathematical formulae and then hit the maxima it doesn’t always work like that.I understand that perception of the buying / selling process - it’s a popular one but, with due respect, I hold that it doesn’t work like that.
I think you’ll find that football clubs carry out an assessment of needs exercise and decide a maximum price that they’ll pay (the buying club) and a minimum price that they’ll sell for (the selling club obviously).
If those figures meet then the player gets bought / sold and if they don’t then the selling clubs valuation is above the market value, as is often the case, and a sale doesn’t happen.
The reason for the poker playing between the parties is that there can be quite a wide crossover so that both clubs will want to maximise their position (buying club wanting to pay less than their maximum and selling club wanting to receive more than their minimum) - though it can still ultimately transpire that there’s a gap between the two.
The added complexity is that the clubs valuations can fluctuate during the process due to matters like the replacement player being more or less expensive than anticipated or the purchasing clubs alternative being more / less expensive than anticipated or simply not available etc.
The days of chairmen spitting in their palms and shaking hands on an artificial mid-point value (we want to pay 30 you want to receive 50 so let’s call it 40) are long gone - if they ever existed in the first place except in movies.
And then he ended up in jail!As Gordon Gecko once said “greed is good” lol
I get it...but every team has some of that...you can't think we wouldn't...that would be unrealistic and awfully idealistic IMO...I said nothing about the club been entitled, just some of our fan base.
A bit harsh pal, we are not rags or dippers and I for one welcome input from other fans on this forum, as long as they are respectful and a bit thick-skinned.Shut the fuck up, you are fucking obsessed with another club’s forum, weird
I don't think it follows. This is an unusual situation. A guy everyone thought was okay (I e. A 15 million player) turns out to be top notch ( near the top on many defensive stategories.I’ll tell you what it does mean…. He will be stopping at Brighton. And any potential signings you make will think twice - if they think Bloom won’t let them move on for a fair price to fulfil CL ambitions etc. Brighton paid £15m a year ago… £40m is a more than fair price. I wouldn’t want City to pay £50m. I’d want us to walk away because if we allow Bloom to take the piss others will follow.
Could be that, or could be that Pep wants to give JWE a ton of game time to get him ready in case he needs to get thrown to the wolves.Am I reading too much into cancelo starting at RB and Wilson Esbrand and LB with Walker on the bench? That says to me that if we had signed or go sign Cucurella that he will start LB with Cancelo RB? Considering Cancelo was LB and Walker RB last season and both were available fir the game it seems pep is planning for Cucurella to start.
I think it had more to do with that Kyle played 90 mins the previous game and Cancelo/JWE only played 45 mins each, giving them all a similar amount of minutes in total over these 2 games.Am I reading too much into cancelo starting at RB and Wilson Esbrand and LB with Walker on the bench? That says to me that if we had signed or go sign Cucurella that he will start LB with Cancelo RB? Considering Cancelo was LB and Walker RB last season and both were available fir the game it seems pep is planning for Cucurella to start.
I don't think some of our fans understand how this works. Their chairman isn't being greedy. He doesn't want to sell his player. But he understands he can't just say 'No!' The best he can do make the cost painful for whoever wants him. Same with Kane. Spurs preferred Kane staying, and if you want him, you'd have to overpay for it. Walking away is the outcome they prefer. But barring that, they make sure you overpay.Gone are the days we will be held to ransom by greedy chairmen demanding silly money.
It didn’t work out for Kane and it won’t for Cucurella.
There is no way in God’s world we are desperate yet.
Plenty of water to go under the bridge on this one but I can guarantee 50m plus won’t happen for this guy.
Am I reading too much into cancelo starting at RB and Wilson Esbrand and LB with Walker on the bench? That says to me that if we had signed or go sign Cucurella that he will start LB with Cancelo RB? Considering Cancelo was LB and Walker RB last season and both were available fir the game it seems pep is planning for Cucurella to start.