Russian invasion of Ukraine

mat said:
Queen buried Monday.

Nuclear war tuesday?

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The significant question here is do the Chinese still think Putin is worth backing. The answer is possibly no. They don't give a shit about him personally. It has helped them to have him in power, the more shit he sends to the west the more they can get away with.

But they don't want to be tied to a loser. I would imagine they have all their energies on the what next scenarios and how to gain advantage.
 
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Gaudion M said:
The significant question here is do the Chinese still think Putin is worth backing. The answer is possibly no. They don't give a shit about him personally. It has helped them to have him in power, the more shit he sends to the west the more they can get away with.

But they don't want to be tied to a loser. I would imagine they have all their energies on the what next scenarios and how to gain advantage.
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It did seem a bit like they are seeing where the land lies. They'll have their own intelligence about what is going on.
 
Gaudion M said:
The significant question here is do the Chinese still think Putin is worth backing. The answer is possibly no. They don't give a shit about him personally. It has helped them to have him in power, the more shit he sends to the west the more they can get away with.

But they don't want to be tied to a loser. I would imagine they have all their energies on the what next scenarios and how to gain advantage.
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China aren't stupid they have a long term plan and don't want Putin dragging them down, he is nothing more than a means to an end and Putin needs China more than China needs Putin. That meeting makes him look even weaker, begging Xi to bail him out and make Russia look strong.
 
Scottyboi said:
China aren't stupid they have a long term plan and don't want Putin dragging them down, he is nothing more than a means to an end and Putin needs China more than China needs Putin. That meeting makes him look even weaker, begging Xi to bail him out and make Russia look strong.
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They'd be content for Russia be turned into a giant North Korea. A giant buffer state reliant on heavy industry and mineral and other raw materials extraction. There are huge untapped reserves under the permafrost in the Russia's Far East.

For which the Russian's currently lack the resources, manpower and expertise to extract at a cost efficiently and at scale.

They were already moving Eastern Ukrainians over there prior to the start of the war.

Once their land and resources grab in Ukraine fails, the current regime (if it survives) will be locked into developing the Far East even more.
 
Gaudion M said:
The significant question here is do the Chinese still think Putin is worth backing. The answer is possibly no. They don't give a shit about him personally. It has helped them to have him in power, the more shit he sends to the west the more they can get away with.

But they don't want to be tied to a loser. I would imagine they have all their energies on the what next scenarios and how to gain advantage.
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Gaudion M

i think you’re right. It’s the biggest game of chess in recent history. Reading the article a few posts back makes you appreciate just how complicated the political and social situations are and personally I can’t begin to understand it / them. Potentially Ukraine is just a fuse to ignite the explosion. Putin may have fucked Russia as we see it today and China may end up as the big winner.
 
Germany really have been cockwombles during this war. General Zorn - shakes head. Still at least they are delivering Dingos (fast moving breakthrough attack vehicles) to Ukraine.
 
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BlueAnorak said:
Germany really have been cockwombles during this war. General Zorn - shakes head. Still at least tgey are delivering Dingos to Ukraine.
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I wonder myself about those "stunningly poor" assessments of several German generals. Erich Vad (military consultant of Merkel), now current General #1 Eberhard Zorn.
Decades of military service they only had 1 enemy: Russia.

Meanwhile I think we have to take those public assessments with a pinch of salt, as a possible strategy to confuse Putin for different public opinions within NATO to keep him believing his destabilization strategy is working and also to keep Germany in a possible position for communication or negotiation channels to Kremlin.

German Generals obviously are able to analyze military and strategic situations accurately. On the other hand Germany is not in a leading role and surely integrates their position to the leading US/NATO strategy. I feel it's kind of an agreed good guy bad guy game...
 
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