Liverpool (A) | PL | Post-Match Thread

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alexmcity said:
Liverpool played with extraordinary energy. Our players underestimated the pace of the game at times and got caught out. Liverpool won't be able to play like that often enough to go on a run. Won't be surprised if they fail to win midweek vs W. Ham. Their energy was tremendous today, though.

Nobody knows what would have happened had Pep started with Cancelo and Grealish on the left and Foden on the right. We might have won or lost by 3 goals.

Why did Pep change the formation? Not because he shit the pants or stupid things like that. Many fans don't seem to realise that there are tradeoffs with having Haaland up front. He's a phenomenon, but he can't press like Jesus or false 9s like Foden and Bernie. Pep is the greatest league manager in history because he understands the balance between attack and defence better than the other managers. Guess he wanted to tire Liverpool down and went for more stability in midfield with Gundo. Things backfired partly because our biggest stars in Haaland and KDB weren't good enough. Foden should have done more vs Milner too. Tactics and formation don't decide games on their own, the players have to do well. And most of them didn't: missed chances up front and made terrible mistakes in defence.

Nothing dramatic has happened. We have the best team in the world. 5 in 6 come soon.
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Fucking every time we play the scourers we play like we are inferior
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Not sure - watched a bit in pub after half marathon, thought Haaland on Liverpool player was a foul and correct decision. Thiago could have had a red but think he did slip. Can’t recall much else
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You probably missed the context then if you didn't watch the full game.
As you missed the game what happened was the referee has been letting the game flow allowing contact and physical challenges, he spots two players tussling for the ball, one uses his arm and upper body to unbalance the opposition player who loses balance and grabs the opposite players shirt while stumbling. The stumbling player plays the ball on and a goal is scored. The VAR team then decides to refer the referee to look at the monitor to review the goal decision he has made due to this tussling for the ball. The contact and "shirt pull" was nothing more extreme than had been going on all game and had no effect in the outcome of the fight for the ball (the player who was 'held back' was already falling and had lost control of the ball at that point).
In your opinion was the VAR operator right to call this as a "clear and obvious" error and to use his powers to effectively re-referee an ongoing game? If a referee has allowed a physical and robust match does the VAR operative have the authority to overrule the onfield referee when a goal has been scored after a period of play that has involved the same level of physical play that has been ongoing all match? At what point does an onfield referees decisions in allowing a physical contest become "clear and obvious" errors?
I agree with the Thiago red card though, he was flying in and would probably have deserved a yellow but as he slipped it wasn't in his control at that point so no card required in my opinion.
 
Like everyone else I am frustrated with our performances against Liverpool. However I remember when Liverpool were in their pomp back in the eighties they seemed to have difficulty in beating Utd. Invariably however Liverpool still picked up the big prizes at the end of the season. So it is with City.
 
Grealish has started to show some form for us and would have pissed them right off keeping the ball away from them. Bad choice to not play him today. And that's even admitting I'd have maybe chosen the same team as pep - but with Bernardo out right. At least change it though man
 
Bob Hope said:
Fucking every time we play the scourers we play like we are inferior
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Not really, we played them off the park in the first half at Anfield last season, but missed big chances and the referee helped them in the 2nd half by not giving a red to Milner.
 
nottsco2-0 said:
Grealish has started to show some form for us and would have pissed them right off keeping the ball away from them. Bad choice to not play him today. And that's even admitting I'd have maybe chosen the same team as pep - but with Bernardo out right. At least change it though man
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Jack’s not a happy bunny
 
I take it the "Vile chants" these feral fuckers are accusing our fans of was singing the National anthem they were booing.
 
Brightwell Bros. said:
I think the "clear and obvious" stuff is a bit of a red herring, and has taken on a mythology of its own. The ref wouldn't have seen the shirt pull in real time. He was told to look at it, and when you see it on the replay it's a foul every day of the week.
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But that's exactly the point - if the rules say it has to be a "clear and obvious error", subsequently if it isn't then VAR shouldn't be involved.

If a shirt pull is a foul then it has to be given every time it's seen. If the ref has seen it and plays on, there's absolutely no point if it means a goal is scored a few seconds later then is chalked off. If the ref hasn't seen it, i.e. can't see it, then it's not an error. How can not being able to see something be an error, "clear and obvious" or otherwise?

This idea of letting the game flow needs to be clarified. at what point is a foul not a foul? And if you're going to let it go then you can't pull it back later on because it's resulted in a goal, it's ridiculous.
 
Victorinodennistua said:
Every time we play these we let the same player do the same thing(Salah). But I suppose when we have left backs that are not the best defensively that’s your weak point. There seems to be too much distraction with mind games. Too cautious and too much respect. I know they are a great side but they have been well under par this year. Why change things and give them the belief? I do agree with the team selection today just not the tactical positions. IT’s always a tight game against these but we should have got a point. And if we dare to give the likes of Grealish and Alvarez more time to impact the game who knows.
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So frustrating watching Salah as well, cut inside and run off shoulders yet we still let him drift on to his strongest side and play a high line every game against them/him! Howler from Cancelo no question but why is he the only one there, it’s bad communication at best and dreadful organisation for him to be isolated with Salah.

I haven’t been convinced with Dias of late (not blaming him for today just in general) and for me when Walker is fit he doesn’t get in the team ahead of Ake and Akanji at CB (on current form) we look so shaky at times with him, especially when the pressure comes or we go a goal down it looks like it could be 3-4 in minutes he collapses.

I’m with you, no problem on team selection but the tactics were dreadful, effectively made KDB a linesman and Gundo and Bernie were ‘the wrong way around’ it was very similar to our last poor performance in the charity shield against this lot.

The game was crying out for pace and you just knew out of petulance when they scored nobody else was getting on that pitch, Alvarez and or Grealish should have been on at 0-0 as I said in an earlier post.

Not all doom and gloom from me by any means, more just frustration at having the same conversations regarding Peps tinkering after a big game
 
hilts said:
No it shouldn't
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Strictly, by the letter of the law, it should have stood. The ‘foul’ by Erling was a good chunk before the goal and they certainly had chance to reset and clear the ball. The fact that the ref is only shown one picture is the issue here.
Dippers justifying it by saying it should have been a corner following the Ederson save is the give away.
 
Blue and true said:
Nope. The truth. If you don't think one of his mandates was to win at least one CL with City then I don't know what to tell you. And what do you think the narrative will be if he doesn't win it with us? It will be dragged up time immemorial to tarnish his reputation.

He doesn't leave here a complete success if he doesn't win it at least once. He can't keep failing in Europe, and we, as fans, can't keep brushing it under the carpet as though it isn't a big deal. It's as simple as that.
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Right but that's different fro a black cloud. If Pep leaves without a CL then he is probably not a complete success but I think the 2 things are quite different.
 
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