Liverpool (A) | PL | Post-Match Thread

[chickaroon]

I think Cancelo as the last man against a team like Liverpool when we have a set piece is asking for trouble. That guy really needs to be an instinctive defender who will win the ball first and worry about where to pass it after that. Walker normally does that job well and surely Akanji should have been the next choice out of those that started at Anfield.

Ar that stage of the game we should have had 2 back not one. Especially one who does not have the speed of Salah.

 

[Northerndave]

It’s our version of their Rodri handball. Maybe we need to put it on a flag upside down too.

Let's never descend to their level :)

 

[Devil's Advocate]

All any of those show is a ball near an arm. The movement of the ball doesn't change, the spin on the ball doesn't change. I hate the dippers but this is grasping at straws.

Ask yourself, if this was Erling beating Robertson and scoring, would you be shouting at the telly for the goal to be disallowed for 'fair play'.

If it merely touches the arm before a goal it should be disallowed. It's as simple as that.
It would be great to see the VAR cameras confirm if it did or otherwise. Dem is the rules.
Fairness has nothing to do with it.

 

[SebastianBlue]

All any of those show is a ball near an arm. The movement of the ball doesn't change, the spin on the ball doesn't change. I hate the dippers but this is grasping at straws.

Ask yourself, if this was Erling beating Robertson and scoring, would you be shouting at the telly for the goal to be disallowed for 'fair play'.

I actually do see the trajectory and speed of the ball change after it gets near his arm (the ball deflects in to his stride, rather than away from it, which was the original exit angle of the bounce, and the speed of fall from the apex of the bounce is a bit faster than would be expected based on the speed of rise). It’s slight, to be sure, but I do see it.

And, regardless, I think the question should be: would Erling’s goal have been disallowed by VAR if the same had transpired with him yesterday?

It’s a question of consistency and fairness, and I think it is a fair question given in the inconsistencies of officiating shown yesterday’s match and many others at Anfield in the past.

Whether that is down to incompetence, as some argue, or corruption, as others assert, is definitely up for debate.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

Especially against the worst 1 v 1 defender in the entire back 5

Surprised Pep wasn’t on top of that. Maybe the emotion of the game had taken his eye off the ball a bit. It’s inconceivable why anyone would leave Cancelo one on one against anyone let along Salah.

 

[ancoats]

Once again 'the left-back problem' rears its ugly head.
Why the fuck did we get rid of our only senior left-back? I said at the time that in most games it won't be a big problem, but against a decent team and usually in a big game it would be.
Trying to sort that out yesterday resulted in our best players being much less effective because they were shifted around positionally.

Yep, it's very much a weakness that should have been addressed in the summer
it looks a minor problem, and cancelo for 30 games a season is OK playing leftwing because of who we are playing,
But the better teams know that we are gambling and don't have the leftback good enough to make us the complete team that can go down both sides that can opens up the defences

I feel for pep because its the one big problem has never ever been solved, when you look back all our major problems in Champions League and playing Liverpool have been on our left side at left back,

if you look at Liverpool they are a European team setup and results in the Champions League speak for themselves
Pep fears teams that can go back to front on both sides with pace and target our left side with players a Salah,

I don't think the 3 at the back works with a flat 3 central defenders and Cancelo ? Its one-sided and not balanced and it takes our main holding player out of the game, yesterday we had the 3 central defenders and Cancelo then silva rodri gundogan all deep sitting back, i think pep change it after about 30 minutes with silva pushed up to help foden down the left, but again we just played the ball around,

winter window I would go straight into the market for a world-class left back and sod what it will cost

 

[half & half derby scarf]

If it was the other way around no way the replay of that goal would have gone back ten seconds to find an excuse to disallow the goal

This exactly. Taylor allowed the occasion to get the better of him and it wasn't the only unforgiveable mistake he made. Stopping the game and Red carding Bingo when our attack was in full flow just handed the initiative right back to them. He could have let the attack play out and then carded the spoilt c**t.

 

[awest]

We have to treat them the same i cant wait their game at the etihad stadium

 

[awest]

We bottled it AGAIN.
No excuses.
Move on.

 

[Northerndave]

And, regardless, I think the question should be: would Erling’s goal have been disallowed by VAR if the same had transpired with him yesterday?

I can answer that. Stockley Park would have gone back 2 mins to try to find anything they could disallow the goal with, we all know that forensic analysis is applied to any goal we score. PiGMoL wankers !!!

 

[BelfastBlue66]

Only one thing I would disagree with here. Kevin was not given 'his role in the hole". He was stuck out wide because Gundo played. I will say it until I am blue in the face. In big games Gundo and Kev cannot play together.

Apologies, I should have been clearer here - I meant that Bernie needed to take on Kev's more usual role in the hole. I completely agree that KDB out wide is poor positioning, and he and Gundog shouldn't be in the same line up. I also don't understand why KdB and Foden should stand at the corner flag together. All we are doing is depriving ourselves of an additional presence in or around the box. However, that is probably an argument for another thread.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Has anyone taken the time to go back and look at all the shirt pulling in that game, esp in the penalty area from free kicks and corner kicks? Are they all fouls? Penalties? Why not? Would it be “too soft” to give a penalty and an almost certain goal to a side for grabbing a shirt for a second or two?

I have no problem with a CONSISTENT APPLICATION of the rules, but it’s the INCONSISTENCY that kills you…and leads to the claims of bias.

I look at what Taylor let go in that game, and I just can’t fathom VAR dragging him over to see a 1 second shirt pull! People were getting mugged (Thiago’s two footer on Rodri?) all game, but he was letting them play.

Sure, you can say “a shirt pull is a foul! Great! Let’s call pens on every shirt that gets pulled in the box then! Simple.

Foul & abusive is a RED CARD offense! Let’s see it called!

Taylor set out his stall BEFORE THE GAME, then held to that standard…until the goal!

Why?

 

[jimmygrimblesboots]

Media now blowing smoke up the Dippers arse as predicted , Klippety outsmarted Pep , Van Dick best centre back in the world again , Gomez nailed on for a world cup place and geriatric Milner to get a four contract until he draws his pension , Salah also nominated for Balon D'Or for his winning goal.
They will not reach that level again until the return game at the Etihad , maybe their weirdo fans should ask themselves why they are being short changed for the other 36 league games.

 

[Chi-town blues]

thats not salad but some chelsea player , so no handball.

 

[Badensbluemoon]

You could feel it was a big game for them... The team and Anfield were up for it. Too bad we didn't show the same attitude or balls and I think the whole set up from Pep was the baseline for the team. After looking a bit in the distance I put the blame on Pep.
Anyway, they have their fun, we just carry on in the title race with the Arse, we been there many times before

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

Has anyone taken the time to go back and look at all the shirt pulling in that game, esp in the penalty area from free kicks and corner kicks? Are they all fouls? Penalties? Why not? Would it be “too soft” to give a penalty and an almost certain goal to a side for grabbing a shirt for a second or two?

I have no problem with a CONSISTENT APPLICATION of the rules, but it’s the INCONSISTENCY that kills you…and leads to the claims of bias.

I look at what Taylor let go in that game, and I just can’t fathom VAR dragging him over to see a 1 second shirt pull! People were getting mugged (Thiago’s two footer on Rodri?) all game, but he was letting them play.

Sure, you can say “a shirt pull is a foul! Great! Let’s call pens on every shirt that gets pulled in the box then! Simple.

Foul & abusive is a RED CARD offense! Let’s see it called!

Taylor set out his stall BEFORE THE GAME, then held to that standard…until the goal!

Why?

Because that’s what all refs do. None give pens for shirt Tugs in the box. Micah called it right. Tiago was clever going down before he felt any contact and Taylor was only 10 foot away so should have given the free kick. I don’t think anyone would have moaned too much had he done. It’s the fact he didn’t that’s annoying. Overall he reffed it quite well for me. It was a very difficult game to ref and the crowd and Klopp made it even more difficult. That’s home advantage for you I suppose.

For me, we got too caught up in the emotion of it too. We should have kept a calm head and played our usual game. If we get dragged into how another team wants us to play then we lose some of our superiority.

We could still have won, had some chances that usually we would score at least one from and subdued them well in the first half. Second half we were too open, too attacking at times and chasing a game we really didn’t need to win. A draw would have been a good result there and kept them in their box. We shot ourselves in the foot a bit for me in that game.

 

[paulchapo]

Well said Bernardo, robbed at Anfield once more

 

[Stevieatlasblue]

Martin Samuel great article please read all blues

 

[colinthewindowcleaner]

Sad question here, but why did the announcer have to tell us approximately 9 times that we would be kept in after the game and escorted to our mode of transport. I doubt anyone would walk me back to my car over Stanley Park and then the cemetery.

 

[The Black Shed]

Very good at the long ball game aren't they? Numerous times the ball was yeeted into the air and they are very accomplished at bringing it down quickly, turning and then suddenly they're at you. Very effective. I bet that's practiced a lot on the training pitch.