The UK border is literally already in Calais with infrastructure.
Have you never travelled via the tunnel?
The rest of what you’ve said doesn’t really offer any solutions at all, in fact there’s not a single idea of what to do.
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Terrorist attack on asylum centre
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Have you never travelled via the tunnel?
The rest of what you’ve said doesn’t really offer any solutions at all, in fact there’s not a single idea of what to do.
No I haven’t fallen for it, if you’re going to go off on rants about what I may or may not think I won’t waste my time.The people coming here are better informed than the race hating rabble throwing petrol bombs who just get their news from the Mail. As of Jan 2020 they were well aware once they get here we cannot send them back to France ( our choice that was ) - they also know that Rwanda expect to take 200 a year for their £150m................100k coming here and 200 deported - they are odds they will take.
You see you fall for the BIG IDEA of Rwanda because you are told its a bold move by the Govt and the press. People outside - including asylum seekers can see what a hollow threat that is - thats why the Govt moves on a ramps up the rhetoric every day - you cannot be allowed to absorb and process the truth or you may ask awkward questions.
This issue was raised regularly since the referendum - it was always denied it was always part of Project Fear - its odd how every warning raised has turned out to be a truth eh? Its almost like some people could understand the facts.
My replies are in the last few pages of this thread about what I think we should do and you made the very stark mistake of not knowing where the UK border actually is.
The UK border is in CalaisOk, but then we wouldn’t have a centre in Calais.
Perhaps we need to build a wall…
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Not for this type of immigration it isn’t.The UK border is in Calais
That’s because there isn’t anything for them.Not for this type of immigration it isn’t.
When I say invest in the border, I mean put a refugee processing centre there, in Calais.
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It can’t really be called a terrorist incident, can’t it, as he’s been incited/encouraged by government policy.It’s a bit depressing that there has seemingly been little condemnation of the perpetrator of this attack, given that’s what the thread is actually about, despite it being a terrorist incident on our shores.
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Why would France allow that without payment? They simply don’t need to care.That’s because there isn’t anything for them.
When I say invest in the border, I mean put a refugee processing centre there, in Calais.
We have a juxtaposed border with them and can process migrants how we wish to, but it’s also within their benefit and will reduce crime in the area.Why would France allow that without payment? They simply don’t need to care.
What better alternatives have we got?
I’m sure the likes of the Express, Mail, Sun and Telegraph will be holding the government to account on this.It can’t really be called a terrorist incident, can’t it, as he’s been incited/encouraged by government policy.
These Brexit benefits just keep on coming.We’re no longer part of the Dublin Treaty, so we pay for France to do some monitoring, but they don’t have much incentive to give 100% to.
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Create more processing centres and not needing to house these people in camps for months/years waiting for a decision?We have a juxtaposed border with them and can process migrants how we wish to, but it’s also within their benefit and will reduce crime in the area.
What better alternatives have we got?
France will want money from us to set up an asylum processing centre on their soil.
If we had 70,000 people, that we didn’t particularly want, leaving the U.K. to go to France on dinghies, do you think we’d stop them?
Especially given the conditions we allow them to survive in currently.
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The UK border is literally already in Calais with infrastructure.
Have you never travelled via the tunnel?
The rest of what you’ve said doesn’t really offer any solutions at all, in fact there’s not a single idea of what to do.
Hmm - not sure many are crossing on the Eurostar.
The rest of what I said is a grown up approach to the mess we are in
That first bit is what I am saying too.Create more processing centres and not needing to house these people in camps for months/years waiting for a decision?
France will want money from us to set up an asylum processing centre on their soil.
If we had 70,000 people, that we didn’t particularly want, leaving the U.K. to go to France on dinghies, do you think we’d stop them?
Especially given the conditions we allow them to survive in currently.
Yes, because we would in theory be taking more genuine refugees.
The criminal gangs organising this need to be stopped via a joint effort but we don’t have serious people in charge to cooperate.
No but if they knew the UK border had a refugee processing centre they would surely go to that, rather than risking their lives crossing the Channel in a small boat.Hmm - not sure many are crossing on the Eurostar.
The rest of what I said is a grown up approach to the mess we are in
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No I haven’t fallen for it, if you’re going to go off on rants about what I may or may not think I won’t waste my time.
My replies are in the last few pages of this thread about what I think we should do and you made the very stark mistake of not knowing where the UK border actually is.
Let me guess - somewhere in the Channel? Even though we have passport controls and the like in Calais that is not the UK Border - its something set up as a convenience for all parties but it is not the border - its centuries since we had a border in France
Let me guess - somewhere in the Channel? Even though we have passport controls and the like in Calais that is not the UK Border - its something set up as a convenience for all parties but it is not the border - its centuries since we had a border in France
The official geographical border is in the Channel but due to our Juxtaposed controls we have, in agreement with France, the majority of border controls for crossing the Channel are done before you board.
It is on operation as the UK Border for several modes of transportation between Britain and France.
It’s the best place to process refugees.
What ideas do you have ?
bluethrunthru
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The criminal gangs organising this need to be stopped via a joint effort but we don’t have serious people in charge to cooperate.
If we behaved like grown ups and tried to employ a proper approach to things we could sort stuff out with the French. I have read the Albanians aren't trekking across Europe to get in votes the gangs fly them into France on commercial flights and they travel from there. If we stopped pissing about with the EU threatening to break international law and launch A16 etc etc maybe we could ask the French to work harder on denying men from Albania ( a non-EU country ) entry into the EU at their airports - just a thought
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The official geographical border is in the Channel but due to our Juxtaposed controls we have, in agreement with France, the majority of border controls for crossing the Channel are done before you board.
It is on operation as the UK Border for several modes of transportation between Britain and France.
It’s the best place to process refugees.
What ideas do you have ?
well googled - you even used juxtaposed
That first bit is what I am saying too.
Yes, because we would in theory be taking more genuine refugees.
The criminal gangs organising this need to be stopped via a joint effort but we don’t have serious people in charge to cooperate.
Criminal gangs have never been stopped via law enforcement.
You stop criminal gangs by destroying demand.
70% of people crossing the channel get granted asylum. The Conservative government is propping up organised crime gangs by forcing legitimate refugees to use them.