Terrorist attack on asylum centre

[Strangerepublic]

too many personal insults on here .

Welcome to politics 2022.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

If we have millions of jobs unfilled, then let's stop paying unemployment benefits because they should be easily be able to find jobs, right?
Can't have it both ways.

And it isn't immigration per se. Those "against" immigration are not arguing for complete bans, they are asking for a) control over numbers and b) curtailing illegal immigrants.
As an immigrant myself, there is nothing wrong or "racist" about either point.

There aren’t the numbers on “unemployment benefit”.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

If we have millions of jobs unfilled, then let's stop paying unemployment benefits because they should be easily be able to find jobs, right?
Can't have it both ways.

And it isn't immigration per se. Those "against" immigration are not arguing for complete bans, they are asking for a) control over numbers and b) curtailing illegal immigrants.
As an immigrant myself, there is nothing wrong or "racist" about either point.

Evening Cruella.

 

[bluethrunthru]

 

[bluethrunthru]

If we have millions of jobs unfilled, then let's stop paying unemployment benefits because they should be easily be able to find jobs, right?
Can't have it both ways.

And it isn't immigration per se. Those "against" immigration are not arguing for complete bans, they are asking for a) control over numbers and b) curtailing illegal immigrants.
As an immigrant myself, there is nothing wrong or "racist" about either point.

1.2m Job vacancies
110k on Job Seekers Allowance ( unemployment benefits
Genius aren't you?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

1.2m Job vacancies
110k on Job Seekers Allowance ( unemployment benefits
Genius aren't you?

Think he’d be in favour of sending them 300 miles to pick fruit away from their families too, spending half their wages on their train fare, should the rain turn up.

 

[ZenHalfTimeCrock]

If we have millions of jobs unfilled, then let's stop paying unemployment benefits because they should be easily be able to find jobs, right?
Can't have it both ways.

And it isn't immigration per se. Those "against" immigration are not arguing for complete bans, they are asking for a) control over numbers and b) curtailing illegal immigrants.
As an immigrant myself, there is nothing wrong or "racist" about either point.

The problem for me is more to do with the callousness of the government’s approach, as encapsulated by Braverman’s perverse and morally repellent speech at the Tory party conference, and her use of inflammatory language like ‘invasion’, which seem designed to appeal to the very worst in us, given that we have been moulded by evolutionary psychology into a tribalistic species, one that is capable of acts expressive of empathy, generosity and altruism towards those we identify with, but also exhibitions of antipathy and outright hostility when it comes to those who are not deemed to be part of that ‘in-group’.

Plus, it is not rocket science to spend all the money currently being used for inhumane 'solutions' such as Rwanda - which aren't solutions - on the swifter processing of claimants.

Then we would know that those admitted are in fact refugees, because their claim has been assessed.

Those who are not refugees will then not be wrecking the situation for the desperate, the persecuted, and the war-torn.

The interesting issue here is why our government won’t do that.

Right now I am knackered after a long day, so all I can do is speculate that the only reason they have adopted this approach is because they know it will play very well with a certain, militantly stupid constituency that are susceptible to scapegoating and ‘othering’, which in turn deflects attention away from the spectacular failure of a Conservative brand of economics that has exacerbated economic equality and eroded the social fabric that has previously bound us together.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Think he’d be in favour of sending them 300 miles to pick fruit away from their families too, spending half their wages on their train fare, should the rain turn up.

Immigrant who hates immigrants...

Surely a former UKIP candidate?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Immigrant who hates immigrants...

Surely a former UKIP candidate?

Or a future Reclaim one.

 

[bluethrunthru]

The problem for me is more to do with the callousness of the government’s approach, as encapsulated by Braverman’s perverse and morally repellent speech at the Tory party conference, and her use of inflammatory language like ‘invasion’, which seem designed to appeal to the very worst in us, given that we have been moulded by evolutionary psychology into a tribalistic species, one that is capable of acts expressive of empathy, generosity and altruism towards those we identify with, but also exhibitions of antipathy and outright hostility when it comes to those who are not deemed to be part of that ‘in-group’.

Plus, it is not rocket science to spend all the money currently being used for inhumane 'solutions' such as Rwanda - which aren't solutions - on the swifter processing of claimants.

Then we would know that those admitted are in fact refugees, because their claim has been assessed.

Those who are not refugees will then not be wrecking the situation for the desperate, the persecuted, and the war-torn.

The interesting issue here is why our government won’t do that.

Right now I am knackered after a long day, so all I can do is speculate that the only reason they have adopted this approach is because they know it will play very well with a certain, militantly stupid constituency that are susceptible to scapegoating and ‘othering’, which in turn deflects attention away from the spectacular failure of a Conservative brand of economics that has exacerbated economic equality and eroded the social fabric that has previously bound us together.

No I think the problem in answer to @Strangerepublic specific "answer" is it was a stupid post because the number of people on JSA is a mere fraction of the number of vacancies - its putting 2 beans on the table then telling him you have just put 5 further beans down and asking him how many beans do you have. His answer is "some beans" - its just counting but typical of people with his mind set which is why I mentioned Monkey Tennis yesterday - Brexit is a bust - we do not have control of our borders as they wanted but rather than accept its a fuck up and admit they were wrong the will "defend" their position by blurting stuff out without thinking it through. Thats why the Rwanda policy is somehow defended and why this attacker is a man with mental issues and not a domestic terrorist. If its treated as domestic terrorism and people know that then maybe people may look at "Terry down the pub" and hear what he says and report him to Prevent and possibly there won't be a repeat attack and even "Terry down the pub" may get help

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Or a future Reclaim one.

Probably both.

 

[Corky]

1.2m Job vacancies
110k on Job Seekers Allowance ( unemployment benefits
Genius aren't you?

JSA is a legacy benefit and is at the end of the process of being wiped out completely which started in 2013.

Of the 5.7m people on UC, 1.4m have a Searching for Work condition, the same as JSA was. The only people still on JSA are the ones who haven't had an change of circumstances since JSA came in, and even so the plan was to flip them on UC by now but it can depend what JCP you come under with the marathon of a phased approach.

Of the £1.5m job seekers, you can always net off a good 0.5m or so for frictional unemployment as it is never possible to get rid of unemployment completely no matter how many job there are. When places that were minimum wage are struggling to recruit at £11 ph now, it makes you wonder.

 

[bluethrunthru]

JSA is a legacy benefit and is at the end of the process of being wiped out completely which started in 2013.

Of the 5.7m people on UC, 1.4m have a Searching for Work condition, the same as JSA was. The only people still on JSA are the ones who haven't had an change of circumstances since JSA came in, and even so the plan was to flip them on UC by now but it can depend what JCP you come under with the marathon of a phased approach.

Of the £1.5m job seekers, you can always net off a good 0.5m or so for frictional unemployment as it is never possible to get rid of unemployment completely no matter how many job there are. When places that were minimum wage are struggling to recruit at £11 ph now, it makes you wonder.

I know of no-one struggling to recruit at £11 ph. My daughter recently changed jobs and gets £9.80 ph same with the wife who moved to go onto £10 ph - Only Aldi in retail pays £11ph and that is the base rate they announced as of this week. Interestingly enough following todays report into the Police I heard a copper on the radio saying people were leaving the force because they go to places like Tesco and they get hourly pay - in the Police they do loads of unpaid hours so they are better off in retail.

So many myths are pushed onto and believed by people in work who feel "I'm alright Jack" - but I fear thats coming to end for a lot of them - myths about what benefits there are - why people claim them and can claim them - why they are needed and the impact on govt spending their taxes. Its not hard to learn its just people can't be arsed to.

 

[Corky]

I know of no-one struggling to recruit at £11 ph. My daughter recently changed jobs and gets £9.80 ph same with the wife who moved to go onto £10 ph - Only Aldi in retail pays £11ph and that is the base rate they announced as of this week. Interestingly enough following todays report into the Police I heard a copper on the radio saying people were leaving the force because they go to places like Tesco and they get hourly pay - in the Police they do loads of unpaid hours so they are better off in retail.

So many myths are pushed onto and believed by people in work who feel "I'm alright Jack" - but I fear thats coming to end for a lot of them - myths about what benefits there are - why people claim them and can claim them - why they are needed and the impact on govt spending their taxes. Its not hard to learn its just people can't be arsed to.

Local garage had signs up for months £11 ph. Anti-social hours, not many takers.

Loads of well paying jobs available compared to 2019, it won't last but the iron is still hot for those who can fill a form out diligently with half decent qualifications. Even jobs where you don't meet all essential criteria will interview you these days as there are a lack of applicants. It is still a time to be positive, for now.

 

[Bill Walker]

1.4m in Finland.........Finland !! Mostly from Ukraine I'd guess

Russians evading conscription. I know of 2 who have gone there.

 

[Bill Walker]

This job vacancy thing is unreal.
Everywhere you go in Oz there are signs in windows "We Are Hiring"

The Gov has announced that migrant intake will significantly increase, especially skilled trades..

Jobs fucking everywhere !

 

[blueinsa]

The problem for me is more to do with the callousness of the government’s approach, as encapsulated by Braverman’s perverse and morally repellent speech at the Tory party conference, and her use of inflammatory language like ‘invasion’, which seem designed to appeal to the very worst in us,

Nailed it.

Immigration control and seeing to be strong in it will be a vote winner. Like it or not, it’s what the majority want imo and it’s why we will see a similarly strong policy from Labour come any election.

As I said earlier, the debate and language used has to be framed far better going forward and we have to treat people as human beings, not just a number.

 

[Man-chester copperpot]

Fair play to these for giving the refugee’s support!
What is strange is, there was a video amongst the comments of a guy at a “Refugee Welcome” march.
He asked around 10-15 protesters and asked nicely “would you adopt a refugee?”
The responses were laughable as each one said one of the below…..
I’m renting, i can’t!
No room at my house!
No!
What kind of refugee!

The interviewer ended with “so it’s somebody else’s problem”
What i’m trying to put across is
1) They are protesting this cause but do not have the answers
2) This video has now been taken down for nobody else to see - why is this?
Youtube “has the uk got enough rooms for refugees”

In the video he is called Right Wing, Nazi etc…for asking a simple question

Sometime’s its impossible to talk about immigratiom without personal abuse (like on this thread)

I wish we could just build another 30,000 homes/flats and settle them poor families but could the government afford this, if so where would you build them?
I know friends who have been on the council housing list for years - would you home refugee’s before people on the housing list?

It’s such a delicate subject and a hard one to figure out which is best result for everyone.

 

[BobKowalski]

Fair play to these for giving the refugee’s support!
What is strange is, there was a video amongst the comments of a gentleman at a “Refugee Welcome” march.
He asked around 10-15 protesters and asked nicely “would you adopt a refugee?”
The responses were laughable as each one said one of the below…..
I’m renting, i can’t!
No room at my house!
No!
What kind of refugee!

The interviewer ended with “so it’s somebody else’s problem”
What i’m trying to put across is
1) They are protesting this cause but do not have the answers
2) This video has now been taken down for nobody else to see - why is this?
Youtube “has the uk got enough rooms for refugees”

In the video he is called Right Wing, Nazi etc…for asking a simple question

Sometime’s its impossible to talk about immigratiom without personal abuse (like on this thread)

I wish we could just build another 30,000 homes/flats and settle them poor families but could the government afford this, if so where would you build them?
I know friends who have been on the council housing list for years - would you home refugee’s before people on the housing list?

It’s such a delicate subject and a hard one to figure out which is best result for everyone.

It may be delicate, but it isn’t hard. The UK economy needs a constant influx of immigrants to function. It has done for well over a century, and right now the need for immigrants in many sectors, health, hospitality etc is acute.

We need more people, we especially need people of working age and this need will become greater the more our age demographic gets older.

We are competing with every other developed economy for labour, so I suggest the UK quits whining about immigration and gets competing.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Fair play to these for giving the refugee’s support!
What is strange is, there was a video amongst the comments of a guy at a “Refugee Welcome” march.
He asked around 10-15 protesters and asked nicely “would you adopt a refugee?”
The responses were laughable as each one said one of the below…..
I’m renting, i can’t!
No room at my house!
No!
What kind of refugee!

The interviewer ended with “so it’s somebody else’s problem”
What i’m trying to put across is
1) They are protesting this cause but do not have the answers
2) This video has now been taken down for nobody else to see - why is this?
Youtube “has the uk got enough rooms for refugees”

In the video he is called Right Wing, Nazi etc…for asking a simple question

Sometime’s its impossible to talk about immigratiom without personal abuse (like on this thread)

I wish we could just build another 30,000 homes/flats and settle them poor families but could the government afford this, if so where would you build them?
I know friends who have been on the council housing list for years - would you home refugee’s before people on the housing list?

It’s such a delicate subject and a hard one to figure out which is best result for everyone.

So much wrong with this post.

Unfortunately I can't reply because I have a full house, what with accommodating half-a-dozen refugees, a homeless family, three tramps and two battered women.

Maybe I should have left that all to professionals...