Terrorist attack on asylum centre

BobKowalski said:
I gave you the answer. More immigration. For refugees/asylum seekers allow them to take jobs and contribute to society rather than trying to recreate a carry on version of a concentration camp.

More labour allows more building of homes, schools and infrastructure. We can then bring in more doctors, nurses, teachers and start building an economy fit for all of us. The ability to see a GP within a day, smaller class sizes for example
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if only .
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
How can you tell if a property is council/housing association nowadays anyway?

The only way would be to look at Land Registry, which she obviously hasn't done. But if she did she'd probably find out that this family of "asylum seekers" if they exist, live in rented private accommodation or own the property themselves.
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that would require prep........ she was clearly making it up as she went along and had done no prep.
 
Phil1 said:
I'm pretty sure the 'thousands' you speak of was proved to be wrong on here yesterday.
Seems the Albanians are the new bogeyman being used to scare the kids...
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According to the governments own website - gov.uk it says over 11,000 albanians crossed in 2022 up to now. Politicians have also mentioned the number to be in the thousands.

The thousands ‘I speak of’ have been mentioned by most officials and lots of mps.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
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We will always have unfilled jobs. The answer can’t always just be let’s import millions of people to solve that, with no thought into infrastructure, investment or integration. Yes we need immigration, but it has to be sustainable and at a manageable rate.

This thread is about illegal immigration. Lots of the people crossing aren’t going into unfilled jobs and it’s costing huge amounts each year to house them in hotels.

We need immigration, but if your coming here illegally to take advantage of the system you should be deported. That’s a fair point and applies to pretty much every country in the world
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It has been our answer for a century. From the Irish to West Indians to Asians and then East Europeans.

Our economy needs a constant flow of people. That’s how it works.

For context, the US relies on around 20 million illegal or undocumented people. Take them out and everything would grind to a halt.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Fuck state of this - bet he has an SUV full of petrol bombs ready to go too

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When Nick Ferrari seems reasonable, you know that the caller is a nutter.
 
BobKowalski said:
It has been our answer for a century. From the Irish to West Indians to Asians and then East Europeans.

Our economy needs a constant flow of people. That’s how it works.

For context, the US relies on around 20 million illegal or undocumented people. Take them out and everything would grind to a halt.
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Your completely ignoring the numbers of people now compared to say 100 years ago/ 50 years ago. Even in the 90s immigration was nowhere near the hundreds of thousands we see now. Infrastructure could actually cope and communities could properly integrate.

Ireland is a very unique example being so close to the uk - literally and culturally.

It’s in the last 10-15 years immigration levels have been very high compared to any other point.

There is no comparison to the US. Other countries in Europe perhaps

Genuine refugees need our help, but If you want to work here (economic migrant) come here legally. A huge number of people arriving on boats are not refugees and are abusing the system. We absolutely don’t need that and clearly can’t cope with it - refugees are now permanently living in hotels as there aren’t enough houses for them or local people.
 
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Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
Your completely ignoring the numbers of people now compared to say 100 years ago/ 50 years ago. Even in the 90s immigration was nowhere near the hundreds of thousands we see now. Infrastructure could actually cope and communities could properly integrate.

Ireland is a very unique example being so close to the uk - literally and culturally.

It’s in the last 10-15 years immigration levels have been very high compared to any other point.

There is no comparison to the US. Other countries in Europe perhaps

Genuine refugees need our help, but If you want to work here (economic migrant) come here legally. A huge number of people arriving on boats are not refugees and are abusing the system. We absolutely don’t need that and clearly can’t cope with it - refugees are now permanently living in hotels as there aren’t enough houses for them or local people.
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How do you come here legally if you can’t get a passport in your own country?

Crossing on a dinghy is literally their only way of having their application for asylum heard.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
Your completely ignoring the numbers of people now compared to say 100 years ago/ 50 years ago. Even in the 90s immigration was nowhere near the hundreds of thousands we see now. Infrastructure could actually cope and communities could properly integrate.

Ireland is a very unique example being so close to the uk - literally and culturally.

It’s in the last 10-15 years immigration levels have been very high compared to any other point.

There is no comparison to the US. Other countries in Europe perhaps

Genuine refugees need our help, but If you want to work here (economic migrant) come here legally. A huge number of people arriving on boats are not refugees and are abusing the system. We absolutely don’t need that and clearly can’t cope with it - refugees are now permanently living in hotels as there aren’t enough houses for them or local people.
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What does no recourse to public funds mean do you think?

Asylum seekers do not have the right to work or the right to rent unless granted by the home office at its discretion.

Refugees | Housing Rights Information (England & Wales)

Housing rights and entitlements for refugees and people with discretionary leave, humanitarian protection and exceptional leave to remain in the UK.
www.housing-rights.info www.housing-rights.info

You've already been told this but you repeat the same bollocks.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
Your completely ignoring the numbers of people now compared to say 100 years ago/ 50 years ago. Even in the 90s immigration was nowhere near the hundreds of thousands we see now. Infrastructure could actually cope and communities could properly integrate.

Ireland is a very unique example being so close to the uk - literally and culturally.

It’s in the last 10-15 years immigration levels have been very high compared to any other point.

There is no comparison to the US. Other countries in Europe perhaps

Genuine refugees need our help, but If you want to work here (economic migrant) come here legally. A huge number of people arriving on boats are not refugees and are abusing the system. We absolutely don’t need that and clearly can’t cope with it - refugees are now permanently living in hotels as there aren’t enough houses for them or local people.
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There was a lot of hostility towards immigrants in days gone by, arguably much more then there is today, so there wasn’t a great deal of integration.

Our infrastructure is not fit for purpose (housing, railways, water), it requires investment and the more we let it rot, the more it will cost to put right. We have a labour shortage, especially in the areas such as health and hospitality. The Govt is actively recruiting nurses from overseas - the tension in Govt is between those who want to reduce immigration for ideological reasons (the UKIPers) and those who recognise the economic reality of our situation.

You are hopelessly wrong on refugees, but I suspect that is by design.
 
Gray said:
Did they not fancy stopping in any of the dozens of countries they passed through on their quest to find the land of plenty?
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I've always found this argument utterly fucking baffling.

The glaringly obvious is that most don't arrive here; relative to the rest of Europe we have very few arriving on our shores.

The other glaringly obvious thing is that those that do make the journey here aren't stopping in other countries en route because the UK is their intended destination.

If you jump on a train from Manchester with the intention to go to London, you ain't gonna get off in Birmingham even though the train is stopping there.
Because that would be idiotic if your intended destination is London.
 
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