I'm not sure the electorate would understand why there were 2 votes though and may not bother with one or the other. Although I do do get a first vote and a final confirmation vote at the end of all negotiatons when people can see the actual agreements.I don't think he is saying it wasn't or comparing the two, as I read that.
Think the suggestion is a 2 stage vote. One on wanting it, two on definitely
wanting it, in its final format, or abandoning it.
Which, in hindsight, would have been good with Brexit. Not sure if it would have made much difference at the time, doubt anyone was less determined through the 2.5 years of shite between the vote and the final exit.
Maybe we should have a 3rd vote, once we've seen the reality 2 years later and realized how fucking wrong we were, an extra life restart the game!
Joking aside with the last bit, I actually think the original suggestion itself is a fine one and would not have have an issue with it. Unlikely to happen though. But would be a more sensible way to tackle it for sure.
You’re imagining that voting is a cold, calculated and informed decision making process when the reality is anything but. It’s about emotion, feeling and, quite often, ‘sticking it to the man’. Brexit is the ultimate proof of this and what Scotland has now is exactly what Brexit had then. “All our woes are down to someone else and YOU have the power to change that.“ It’s hardly a surprise that people without a pot to piss in, with no imagined future, with no good education system to see a way out, who couldn’t imagine how things could ‘be any worse than they already were’ were persuaded that it was all Johnny Foreigners fault and that they then voted for the fabled sunny uplands.
Whilst it’s a despicable play book to have run, it was the only one that gave the real elites the chance to achieve their aims and it is the exact same playbook the SNP will be reaching for if and when there is another referendum.
My company office is in Yorkshire, I moved back to Scotland last year after 18 years working for the same company but WFH in Scotland.
I already pay hundreds of pounds a month extra tax here compared to England I'd hate to think what would happen if SNP got full control.
If Independence does happen I will be moving back to England, no doubt about it.
I'm not sure the electorate would understand why there were 2 votes though and may not bother with one or the other. Although I do do get a first vote and a final confirmation vote at the end of all negotiatons when people can see the actual agreements.
So it’s all the Sassanachs fault then?Some of that is true, but the SNP independence campaign will be vastly different to Brexit in one simple respect, Brexit was all about breaking away from the EU closing borders. Scottish Independence campaign will be founded on rejoining the EU, opening borders with free movement possibly even Schengen or even EURO. So it's far from blaming foreigners for the problems. It will be the strength of that campaign that will tip it one way or the other and that's polar opposite to the insular Brexit campaign.
You may suggest that. No comment:)So it’s all the Sassanachs fault then?
Tiocfaidh do lá.You may suggest that. No comment:)
Aye. But how much do you have to earn to be paying hundreds of pounds more each month?We all pay more tax than in England. We get more for it. Brexit fucking it all up aside.
If you zoom in you can see some names and addresses - GDPR breach?
It benefits me nil. I'm married with no children and no health problems. So free Uni and prescriptions mean nothing to me.We all pay more tax than in England. We get more for it. Brexit fucking it all up aside.
It benefits me nil. I'm married with no children and no health problems. So free Uni and prescriptions mean nothing to me.
Yet.It benefits me nil. I'm married with no children and no health problems. So free Uni and prescriptions mean nothing to me.
Not all, isn’t the 19% starter rate Scotland only ?We all pay more tax than in England. We get more for it. Brexit fucking it all up aside.
Donor or begging letters.They all appear to be company or trust address'.
I think that as a country its up to the good people of Scotland to determine their own future and I would hope they would as a country vote for independence. Unfortunately its too complicated for them and if it did go ahead at least 75% would need to vote to leave the union.
I think that's the general feeling of many on here. Its seems Scotland are stuck with the UK and stuck with being an independent UK as referendums are a bad idea.
Its not my view these are the views of certain posters in here because they lost one. Obviously they will about face if one is offered and they win it. Such is the hypocritical nature of people.75% is quite a stretch, I struggle to see how anyone on either side could really honestly agree with that. I do however like the idea of a larger majority needed to swing it, there is something logical about it.
Don't think it would work though. Two referendums have already gone with a simple majority. This would then be seen as shifting the goalposts, and say there somehow was a majority but not significant enough to settle it, it would just start all over again, or at the very least there would be bitterness and more division. Besides, don't think those pursuing it would accept it.